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jman1961
member since 06/19/2009
I'm a guy
About me: "You're entitled to your own opinion....you're NOT entitled to your own facts."

"It's not what you DON'T know that bothers me; it's what you THINK you know that AIN'T SO."

"Of course you have a right to your opinion, but that doesn't mean that your opinion is right."

User Votes: 140 Helpful / 13 Funny / 87 Agree / 22 Disagree
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236 days ago

I didn't call 'everyone else' anything. I was writing to one person only.
"Sophomoric debating skills'? To you, perhaps, but then neither you nor Magellan answered ANY of it point for point. You get hung up on the sarcasm, or what you see as insults. I've read a couple of long time reviewers who employ the device (and worse) constantly, but they're reviewed, in those self-serving "rate the RIA members" flagellations as "witty", "ascerbic", etc. perhaps because their worldview agrees with....yours, for instance?
Is this a rating/review site, or a mutual admiration society for liberals?
Oh, and 'real life': I do just fine thanks, Lena. I spend more time there than a lot of folks who look to be camped out here constantly.

I'll think about what you've said, Lena.
Good night.

236 days ago

If it's worth anything to you, Magellan, I can make one guarantee: I DON'T hold grudges. Free speech can be loud and raucous. If this is supposed to be Cooper Union, then maybe I'm in the wrong place.
Let me know.

236 days ago

You do the research. I've been on the receiving end of it, a couple of times. If you can find it so quickly in cases like this, where it doesn't exist, then why can't you spot it as quickly where it does?
I don't mind disagreements, but I'll put up sarcasm for sarcasm, humor for humor, facts for facts, etc.
There was a disagreement with Lena a few days ago, in comments and resolved in a couple of private messages. All civil and polite.
Ask her.

236 days ago

Score:

Input from admins who I wasn't writing to : 2
Specific points refuted : 0

Buggy about the bible? It's the first time I've cited it on RIA, so no hyperventilating about 'religious right wing zealots', OK?

236 days ago

You sure 'chime in' a lot for someone who "...(doesn't) don't really give a shit either way."
I pointed it out to you elsewhere; many of your long time 'buddies' engage in genuinely insulting discourse, but you are strangely absent when it occurs.
You do have a penchant for intervening on behalf of people who share your views, however. McD was your drinking buddy that night, right?
It's that intellectual (dis)honesty thing again.
As for "getting over (my)self" - take a dose of your own medicine.
The voting on my reviews so far suggests that I get respect, btw.
Thanks for your input, though.

236 days ago

Try something unique, let the person I wrote to answer me, or are you paid to 'flak' for him?

236 days ago

236 days ago

@McD - I'll address some of your points:

"...you indicate a citizen does not have the right to speak their mind to a cop, berate him or what ever you want to call it."

I used the word 'berate' for a reason. It has a meaning. Look it up.
'Speak one's mind': more fungible; depends on specific circumstances.

"What then do they have the right to say to a police officer. Where is that spelled out?

Consult an attorney who specializes in that area of the law. You could rely on empiricism and logic, but on a guess from what you've written so far, your body of knowledge acquired from those disciplines is sorely lacking.

"You contend it is not OK to speak your mind to a police officer with in limits"

Wrong again.
I contended that it is not OK to speak your mind to a police officer WITHOUT limits.
You need to read more carefully, or 'bone up' on your interpretive skills.

"...but you are wrong that dropped implies NO fact finding. The DA felt there was not enough grounds to prosecute."

No, I was not wrong.
You've got it straight from the county DA himself, eh? You have lots of high profile friends, don't you ("...I've met Professor Gates on a few occasions...", "...I've friends on Police forces in other cities and states, notably New York...")? Did they give you the 'skinny' on this case? You have a direct line to the office of the Middlesex (Mass.) County District Attorney?
My assertion is TRUE: 'dropping the charges' does NOT mean, ipso facto, that the charges lacked ANY merit, nor that the arrest itself was 'bad'. Think of it this way: your verbosity on this subject does NOT mean, ipso facto, that you are correct, nor that you possess anything more than the reasoning ability of a junior high school student auditioning for the debating team.
Pick up a copy of "Law for Dummies" (you could use one); 'finding of fact' is a legal term-of-art, and is not to be confused with the simple word 'fact'. Again, refer to prior paragraph. Also, look up "public nuisance' and "disorderly conduct" while you're nosing around.

"...what characterizes a police state in your eyes?" "Draw me the line."

No, YOU draw the line for US. Remember, the burden of proof lies with the 'affirmative'. You assert it; you prove it.
Conduct an experiment: you and your companion can go back to Cambridge and re-create the events of that emotionally scarring evening in 1995 (were you drinking Scorpion Bowls at the Hong Kong in Harvard Square, by any chance?). For the reader's edification: what the cops did that night was stupid and unwarranted, assuming that what the writer asserted is true, and I have my doubts.
Approach law officers at random and start calling them names, threaten them, refuse to calm down (better yet, do everything you can to cause the situation to escalate), and then report back to us on the results of your adventure (likely your juvenile asses will be in the pokey quicker than you can scream "Mommy, come get us out of jail!").

For the record, I have gotten in the face of 'cowboy cops' a few times in my life, the last being with a Mass. State Trooper at Logan Airport in October 2007. But those encounters involved knowing the law, and the responsibilites under that law of BOTH the officer and myself.
The difference here is that you advertise clearly that your sentiments run against the police, and you have a simplistic view of their role in the society, to go along with similar 'tunnel visioned' stands on the 1st Amendment and the (according to you) nascent police state in the USA.
I respect the police, and KNOW (empiricism and logic again, you should try them sometime) that the vast majority of these men and women are good and decent people who do a very difficult job under trying circumstances, like the expectations of folks like you that they are paid to put up with whatever 'knee jerk' abuse a non-officer decides to throw at them (like I suggested earlier, YOU go try that and tell all of us how it works out for ya).

In closing, I'll reference a biblical passage that was scripted into an early, and funny episode of 'All in the Family':

(Proverbs 14:7, King James version): Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
Translation: Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot.

And so I won't 'argue' with you. If you're half as smart as I'm guessing you think you are, you'll consider the points I've made here, and that others have made elsewhere. You still have some growing up to do, skippy.
If you're personally offended, then you're a hypocrite. You did say, in your most recent comment here: "My argument is consistent that white, black, Chinese, whatever, people have the right to say what they want in the United States of America to other adults, no matter how distasteful, provided they don't physically threaten others or incite others to physical violence." Well, I raise a glass in toast to your 'consistency'. Congratulations.

I'm done.

Fitman, you can come in and do your Major Frank Burns imitation for us now (the only one you do well, btw).






237 days ago

The usual suspects are back painting with broad brushes again, I see.
@ McD - When the cops called you and your friend 'fags', it spoke about their conduct only, not the entire force.
Isn't it true that we don't condemn entire 'groups' for the actions of a few? Or do you carry a bias against law enforcement?
Or try this; I was mugged and shot in the back by a black male in a Dorchester neighborhood on July 13, 1989. Would it be logical if I decided that all black males were likely criminals based on that incident?
You also need a course on law and police procedure; if Gates was standing up to the cops for de facto abuse, I'd be on his side 100%. He wasn't.
Funny idea of first amendment rights that you believe any citizen can, at will, berate a police officer because they're having a bad day. You're wrong - it's that simple.
By your estimation, there is NO such thing as 'disorderly conduct'. Wrong again.
And the charges were not 'dismissed', they were 'dropped'. What's the difference? Dismissal of charges is a ruling of law by a judge, and NOT always because the judge finds the charges baseless.
'Dropped' means, in this case, the county DA (Gerry Leone), and involves NO finding of fact. It's prosecutorial discretion.
And for the 3rd time, the police do not ever dismiss or drop charges; they simply file them. OK so far?
How many people who have logged comments on this case have read the police report? It's still available online, I believe.
You know, for folks who, I'm sure, would posit that we are a society of laws and not of men, you sure are advocating the polar opposite in this case.
And if folks here (Gates sympathizers) can't even politely refute the invocation of terms like 'police state' (with or without the 'smiley face'), rhetoric so overheated that it invites meltdown, then I suggest that Wiseguy is right - that's insanity.
Police state? You're kidding, right? Do you good people believe sincerely that we are living in a police state, or that this incident is indicative of that?
If your answer is yes, then...........
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