We think Bush was wrong, not because he wanted to get rid of Saddam...it is obvious many Iraqis wanted his 'dethronement'...but for the reasons given to cover up a different agenda (one we all now know) and the fact that the invasion was ill-considered. It is true that war has never solved anything except create lasting resentments, however deeply buried. As people, it is time we now take our minds off war as a solution and create new methods that will contribute to everyone's wellbeing on this planet. Yes, that sounds 'other-worldly' and no, I don't know what those solutions might be...and will it ever stop countries like Iraq wanting to dominate with new nuclear weapons? What is plainly clear is that war, in the long term solves nothing. (An example might be this: many British people died in the war to protect and keep in place the thousand years of culture of these islands. Within a decade of this government, we have been 'invaded'; with every other world culture there is so much so that our own is in 'danger' of being lost. Now, I am not arguing the rights or wrongs of this,. the labour approach or the coservative one (which could well have stopped this happening), just to illustrate that any war, at the end of the day, doesn't stop the changing of future generations. Loss of life should not be a pre-requisite for making those changes. HEYKATE:You are clearly referring to my point raised and I suggest you read again what I wrote and try and understand it. I am agreeing with you that war has solved nothing. The British fought against the Germans to keep the cultural way of life intact and to stop the hideous advance of Nazism. And rightly, we (The Allies) won. But now, we have cultures from everywhere else living together (good thing) yet a new threat of Islamic fundamentalism from sectors of the Muslim community living here. We have Yardies, Chinese Triads, Russian Mafia, the lot! And the Government seems content in changing our laws to suit them. (bad thing, since it is contra to the culture of the indigenous people) So, my point is that war never solves anything and those who lost their lives must wonder what it was all for, in the end. Of course we move on and develop. A few generations down the line and things have changed - as per your comments; through enlightenment, travel, mass media and that is how it is. You agree with me that war is useless and that loss of life doesn't change things. That's exactly what I said, so I don't understand quite what you are having a go at me for? As I have said to you before, I am not a liberal in the American sense of the word. You are telling me on the one hand that modern times should be accepted as they are and I agree with that, but in all your other posts you fear that the US might be attacked by France or Germany (of all things)and that America should look better at its own security. Bit hypocritical, don't you think? Or maybe it is me who's the realist. The solution could be that until everyone on the planet stops believing in false Gods and understands that we are all in this game of Life together, we can start behaving towards each other like the friends we were meant to be.