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Republican Party

reviewed by magellan

The Republican party is for Lower Taxes and Free Trade. They are for bushiness and spending more money on defense.

magellan
11/04/2008

Republican Party 2

Update: Some time in the wilderness is exactly what the GOP needs to get its act together, and I'm proud to be a part of booting them out.  They've become a party of big spending theocrats that is starting to look more like a regional party of the deep south, than any sort of national player. 

Maybe some time out of power will bring them back to their roots of small government, pragmatic foreign policy, and personal responsibility.  I will welcome them back to the national scene when they do this.  Let's leave the fringe lunatics to represent information challenged voters at the local level, and bring the adults back to represent this grand old party at the national level.

Original: ** The Republicans need a drubbing in the upcoming elections, I think. The American people gave Republicans control of the house, the senate, and the executive, and they have utterly failed us. Our reputation and moral standing around the world has been trashed, our spending is out of control, and the party of morals and family values is paralyzed by sex and corruption scandals. The combination of a Republican president and Republican congress has been a catastrophe. Wherever you stand on on the political spectrum (I voted Republican for governor of California and will likely vote Republican for President in 2008), it's time to hold politicians accountable for their failures. ** I have serious Republican tendencies, or at least I thought I did. I am a fanatical capitalist. I believe that there is no shame in being successful. I believe that everybody can make something of themselves through hard work and perseverance - I abhor the victim mentality. I think that the United States has traditionally been a force for good around the world, and even with all of our current shortcomings, that we continue, for the most part, to try and do the right thing. I'm proud to be an American. But I also believe that a good government is like a good referee in a sporting event - if they're doing their job well, you should barely notice them. All of these things being said, I disagree with, no I DESPISE, the current direction of the Republican party. I hate the bloated, intrusive, fiscally irresponsible behemoth government that George W. Bush has built. I hate the future tax burden he is placing on all of us, especially our children. I hate his belief that government knows best, and that federal government should be used to regulate our activities in our homes, our bedrooms, and our thoughts. And I'm terrified by the rising theocrat movement that seems bent on replacing reason with religious fundamentalism. The Republican Party of George W. Bush is almost unrecognizable from what it was under Ronald Reagan. Its principles of small government, fiscal responsibility, and pragmatism have been scrapped in order to broaden the Party's base - a tactic that has worked to decimate the Democrats. It's time for a third Party, as the current two don't make any sense to me.

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edt4 commented 1129 days ago.
Very well put.

magellan commented 393 days ago.
I'm surprised that you, as a tough talking northeasterner, have so much sympathy for this moralist, big spending, inept party.

Ridgewalker commented 393 days ago.
I resent being called an "information challenged voter". To me, gloating at any point indicates a lack of experience with winning and losing. It takes time to learn how to do both. And, Ed...that "... and die in despair" thingie...that's something I'd expect from moosekarloff...

magellan commented 393 days ago.
Ridge, I'm not saying there aren't plenty of adults left in the GOP, as well as non-information challenged voters. Of course there are. But the too much of the party messaging seems to have been hijacked by the fringe. I agree with Fox News that the US is still a center right country. That the GOP lost to a center left candidate tells me the they have lurched too far to the right.

Ridgewalker commented 393 days ago.
The thing that has bothered me anout this whole process...most particulary here on this site, is that the Ben Franklin list of plusses (for Obama) and minusses (against McCain) have had been so lopsided. I still haven't heard a strong case for Obama that wasn't weighted down with Bushisms, when a blind eye was turned to the absolute depravity of the Democrats in power. GDS is correct, in my opinion, that if anyone is blown away by prior spending...you ain't seen nothing yet. Win like a man...lose like a man...but I'm not yet ready to say "Good game, yet."

magellan commented 393 days ago.
I'd recommend the Economist endorsement. It's the closest thing out there to my own feelings about Obama - cautiously optimistic, blown away by his skill in running his campaign, and with concerns about some of his more populist economic stuff and the lack of GOP balance in congress. And Ridge, for what it's worth, on RIA I'm not sure anyone has run a more negative "campaign" than you. Have you posted one positive thing in support of McCain?

Ridgewalker commented 393 days ago.
Well, yes I have...plusses and minusses, but I have, obviously not been hyponotized by Bar, nor impressed by anything about him. I did my due diligence and have come to the conclusion that a little over half of this country has just hired a thug...What you considered "negative" were truths and facts that Obamanists just didn't want to be bothered with...So? what's next? We all known by now what the Zen Master always says.

magellan commented 393 days ago.
Thug huh? I'm out. Have a good night all.

magellan commented 393 days ago.
btw ridge, i'm offended by the race baiting. "thug" is way out of line and you know it. you're better than that.

Ridgewalker commented 393 days ago.
I'm not the one who associated the word "thug" with race, magellan...you did. And I might remind you that when Obama whipped Hillary's ass, your very first reaction was not that he'd make a great leader...not a mention of his qualifications...no mention of any of his short comings...but that he was Black. So don't label me in any way what so ever because I find him repulsive until he proves himself otherwise. I'm pretty much color blind. The real problem here is that you have been so hypnotized by this guy that you internalize any criticism of him and throw your body in front of any word bullets that might be aimed at him. Get real...he has a checkered and sanitized past. Let me also remind you that he is a lawyer. So were Tony LaRussa and Branch Rickey and when they put uniforms on, they became excellent at what they did. The emotional illusion here is that people who voted for him won and those that didnt lost. No one knows who the real winners and losers will be. I have given him his props when deserved, which was the way he ran a "monster campaign". This alone does not instill confidence...otherwise, an ad master from Coca Cola, or Pepsi would have been elected to The Office a long time ago. I'm not going for that ride. I'll defer to the Great Zen Master. Not even he knows what kind of President Obama will make, so it's not an insult for me to say that you don't, either. The danger there is not being able to discern between whatever good decisions and bad decisions he will make, as you have been unable to do with his past. Once again, I defer to The Great Zen Master. Now, this is the second time you have called me a race-baiter. The first time was when I posted that picture of Obama in Muslim garb and you slapped me with a link where that picture was labled as "race-baiting" by a person who is a perfect stranger to you. I am not a stranger to you and I have never once...ever...made race an issue in this election. But you have...

Ridgewalker commented 393 days ago.
Stark just brought up a good point: it's the semantics behind the word "thug". When I think of a political thug, it's not race-related. I think of Boss Tweed, or someone like Obama who has risen from the slime of a corrupt political machine like an Uruk-Hai, while you may be thinking not of a gangster...but a "gangsta". So, what we may have here are age and cultural differences. And as a Jew, Obama has been associating with avid Jew-haters, from the day that Dr. Khalid A-Mansour sponsored Obama into Harvard. This will be a tough one for me to over-come...

magellan commented 393 days ago.
Ridge, I think you have been making race an issue in this election. I believe your first comment on Obama was that he was a racist and a fool. And "thug" is an extremely racially charged word - someone who writes as well as you do no doubt knows this. If you say you didn't mean it like that, I'll take you at your word. And for what it's worth, my vote was two parts punish the GOP for its incompetence and divisiveness, one part drink the Obama Kool-Aide. I'm hopeful that Obama will surprise me.

Ridgewalker commented 392 days ago.
I'll relent on th "fool" reference, because I made it in reference to his not choosing Hillary as his running mate. Turns out he didn't need her. That's the end of the fool issue, I hope. As far as me making race an issue, I'll explain it just one more time. The only time I ever made any references to race were in response to Obama's opening statement in Germany, when he boldly stated that (paraphrased) "I don't look like anyone that you've ever seen running for the American Presidency". This was a direct reference to him being a mulatto (which is how he describes himself). This was the first thing he wanted Europe to be aware of. I criticized him for making race an issue. This is undisputable. There were, also, some extremely anti-White references...ones where he portrayed himself as a man who has unmistakably bitter feelings towards White people. This is undisputable. So, please, give it a rest and stop trying to make me look like a race-baiter. If you really know me, you'd be groveling for foregiveness. Enough.

magellan commented 392 days ago.
So Obama is a racist for saying "I don't look like any other presidents" and you are surprised I'm offended by you calling our first Black president a thug? Am I missing something, or is this massively hypocritical?

Ridgewalker commented 392 days ago.
Yes...you're missing something here...by a mile...but you've worn me out. I'm exasperated with your inability to hit a tennis ball back over the net...

magellan commented 392 days ago.
Ridge, you called Obama a thug and a racist. I'm not trying to make you look like anything you're not doing to yourself.

Ridgewalker commented 392 days ago.
Okay...

EschewObfuscation commented 392 days ago.
My two cents: thugs is a non-racist slur. Hell's Angels can be thugs, not a blackorganization. The Nazi thugs in Germany in the early 1930's generally were not black kids. Mobsters' operatives historically have not been blacks. And, it IS racist to state you were happy he might win because he's black, even in the realm of example for other blacks, no matter how noble the sentiment. We should elect people based on their qualifications and honesty, at least what we know. Skin color should not be a primary reason.
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