I dont like the flip on ones there gay but i love the old classic ones best for skateing they atend to wear and tair tho :(
another thing I started to hate vans cause of that song that was made from some rapper. it was like this I was skate baording and these gangster peaple were telling me vans are gay just like skateing then after the song came out they all are wearing vans it was like WTF? frist they hated vans. but if a rapper says its now the new thing and you get chicks or what ever the hell they said they all were wearing vans that pissed me off.....over all there good shoes
