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Libertarian Party

reviewed by Victor83

Victor83
02/20/2007

Libertarian Party 4

Libertarians are, for the most part, Constitutional purists. It is a shame that we don't have more of that- from the school house to the White House. Abiding as such however, they serve to rile both sides. Religious conservatives don't want the legalization of drugs. "Progessives" don't want the abortion issue to be a states rights issue, etc (just a couple of examples). Hence, in this incredibly polarized society , I cannot see them taking real power any time soon.

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Enkidu commented 1013 days ago.
uh-huh, you don't like them being called "anarchists", but it's ok to call Democrats "Nazis"? a little bit of double-standard in your hyperbole here?

Victor83 commented 1013 days ago.
Interesting that you have nothing factual to refute the analogy I made in that previous post.

Victor83 commented 1013 days ago.
As a general rule, people who lean left cannot have honest debate or discussion; so I will expect no furhter response. However, I will say this...my father will turn 79 this year. He served in the Army during the Korean War. My mom turns 76. Both are registered Democrats and they are definitely not Nazis. That is not what I said, nor was it the intent of my post. Any objective person would know and recognize that. But, it is far easier just to type no under "helpful votes".

magellan commented 1012 days ago.
Nice review Victor - I agree on most of your points. I do, however, think that you're very quick to drop the "nazi" and "communist" and "socialist" tags at folks you don't agree with, perhaps contributing to the polarized society you mention in your review. I find it irresponsible and hysterical - do you really think the democrats of Hilary Clinton (pro business, pro balanced budget, pro war) are socialists? Do you really think anything in American politics ressemble the Nazis of 1940's Germany? Or are you just letting off some steam?

Victor83 commented 1012 days ago.
magellan...since you seem to be level headed as a rule, perhaps I should rethink some of my verbeage. I honestly do not mean the things I say to be provacative just for the sake of it- there is an element of socialism forwarded now by BOTH major parties...it is not a dirty word; it is a socio-economic term. Sorry if it offends you. Have you also objected to the name calling by others when referring to Bush and his supporters?

magellan commented 1012 days ago.
I try to be even handed, but it is hard. We all have our biases. Here's a definition of socialism - is this consistent with how you see the Democratic party? "Any of the various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, a system of society or group living in which there is no private property, a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state, or the stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done."

Enkidu commented 1012 days ago.
Victor, you want something "factual" to refute your equation of Democrats with Nazis. I will be happy to argue with you when you post things that are sane and respectful; equating Democrats with Nazis is ignorant, stupid and despicable. No refutation of such a statement is required, since no sensible person would ever hold such a view. Have you actually studied any history--do you have any understanding of just what the Nazis were actually like? Your reviews, for the most part, seem to be deliberately provocative. Are you honestly interested in intelligent discourse, or do just want to provoke fights? You seem to be capable of being sensible, so I'm bothering to reply this time. "People who lean left cannot have honest debate or discussion" -- you believe that? Really? Come on.

Victor83 commented 1012 days ago.
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. 2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. The difference between socialism and communism is that socialism allows for private property and business owe=nershipe; so long as it is adherent to the central government and deemed to be a part of the "collective good". It is also akin to communism with regards to forced redistribution of wealth, ala, the propoganda put forth EVERY election year by the DNC...."tax cuts for the rich". Hilary still wants to SOCIALIZE medicine. Is that "socialist" enough? Not trying to be an ***...I just don't see what part of this is so hard to figure out.

magellan commented 1012 days ago.
Victor, can you show us a case when a member of the Democratic party has advocated doing away with private property? Maybe you're confusing "socialism" with the "social democrats" of Europe?

Victor83 commented 1012 days ago.
Apparently you did not read my last comment in its entirety. How about governement control of healthcare? Even if you are for that, how can you deny that it is socialism. And this is not just a call-Demorats-boogey-men question. Bush's Medicare plan....biggest SOCIALIST boondoggle in US history. You seem to be saying that socialism and communism are the same thing. Further, you seem to be saying that neither exist at a federal government lever in any way, shape, fashion, or form.

magellan commented 1012 days ago.
The US government runs the post office - does that make the US a socialist country? In terms of health care, I forgive those who are looking to try some new approaches. Our current system is the laughing stock of the developed world in terms of what we get versus what we pay. Here's Webster's definition of socialism: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism

Victor83 commented 1012 days ago.
No sir...I was married to a woman from Costa Rica for 6 years. Their health system is virtually identical to Canada's. She loved the healthcare system here by comparison. And certain things (the military, the maintainence of infrastructure, etc) are built into the Constitution. Show me where it gives big brother government the right to run public education or control the healthcare system. This was my pont re/ Libertarians...they are among a handful who remember the document....too many others just want what they want- Constitution be damned
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