| REVIEWER | REPLY |
 | Tinckerbell0
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09/27/2007 | Biffsup3...here is a little chemistry lesson for you! According to Nature's Variety website there is Copper Proteinate and Manganese Proteinate in the food. Proteinate is the product resulting from the chelation of the mineral with amino acids and/or partially hydrolyzed proteins. Chelated = binding or complexation. Chelation is simply the process whereby an organic Free Form Amino Acid picks up a molecule of a mineral, wraps it within it's structure, actually enveloping it, making it easier for organic organisms then to absorb it. Resulting in better absorption of the mineral. Ferrous? I could not find this listed in any of Nature's Variety labels. Correct me if I'm wrong. As for these ingredients being in fertilizer, yes, Manganese is found in it. So is Calcium! Are you going to boycott milk because it contains the same natural mineral? I don't know what to say about the Drano part of your comment. I do not have a bottle in front of me so I can not read the label. From what I got from their website, the ingredients in Drano are Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Hypochlorite and water. Again, correct me if I'm wrong on that. So far, Biffsup3, if I'm correct, your comments are largely based on ingredients that you manifested in your head and felt the need to use for bashing a dog food company that you felt wasn't working for your pets. Your pathetic attemps at "getting back" at another user because they voiced an opinion that you did not agree with is truly sad. I hope other users read your comment and see it for what it is....greatly exaggerated! |
 | puppyloverkb
(18)
07/26/2007 | Thank You! Unfortunetly, since Biffsup can't seem to do his own research and beleives that whatever he finds on google is the truth, we will never see him admit he was wrong. After all, if it walks talks and quakes like one. . . |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
07/26/2007 | Thank You! Unfortunetly, since Biffsup can't seem to do his own research and beleives that whatever he finds on google is the truth, we will never see him admit he was wrong. After all, if it walks talks and quackes like one. . . |
 | barneyboy
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07/24/2007 | Copper sulfate has many, many uses - one of which is a dietary supplement which can correct copper deficiencies in animals if used in trace amounts. Read:
http://www.copper.org/applications/compounds/table_a.html
Guess what Biffsup? If you eat beef or sheep, chances are that they were fed copper sulfate to help with copper deficiencies. It is a normal practice, and as always, safety depends on the amount that is given to the animal - but in trace amounts, studies have shown it to be a beneficial supplement in animals. You can read about the benefits of TRACE amounts of copper here:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-copper.html
The same goes with the ferrous (iron) and manganese. They are used in TRACE amounts, which again, is beneficial.
Anybody who claims that trace amount of such minerals are harmful (and also not beneficial) clearly has not done their homework. |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
07/19/2007 | And you still won't delete your review?!?!? |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
07/09/2007 | But, like I said before, you cannot conclude your research with googled information. THAT is NOT research. Which was why I went into Proquest, Infotrac and Syrs researcher. I entered in Cooper Sulfate (and all the others) and found that information. YOU ARE supposed to have those compounds in your daily diet. They are supplements...duh! What I meant by high amounts was a high intake of said mineral in a one shot moment. If you did that with any vitamin you would get pretty sick! By the By, Blue Buff's Cans, Kitten Dry, and treats were all recalled, because they were stupid, didn't make their own food, and the company that did outsourced for their ingredeints. If a company does not make their own food, it will never be safe! |
 | Biffsup3
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07/08/2007 | What I stated is true and you know it. So I will not remove anything. You added health after each item. "Copper sulfate health" then your research is not accrate. In low doses it is safe and healthy, but yet they eat it everyday! Look up just Copper sulfate not adding health. Blue is a very safe food and one of the healthiest choices out there. Blue only recalled the canned foods to insure thier quality standards. Another reason to stay with a great food and awesome company. Try the foods before you rate them or leave your two cents out! |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
07/08/2007 | hey Biffsup, now that you have been proven wrong are you going to delete this rediculus reveiw yet? I know you love Blue Buffalo (no idea why after all, it was recalled) but that still does not excuse you posting your rediculues "research" in other much higher qualtiy foods. Bottom line, either change your review to something that is is true or delete it. |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
06/21/2007 | Here's the results of the effect of those minerals as a trace amount in an animals diet: Basically, the minerals you are refering to are dangerous at extremely HIGH levels. However, they are all necesary trace minerals that must be in all animal diets. Ferrous sulfate is used to treat iron-deficiency anemia; Manganese helps your body break down fats, carbohydrates, and proteins. It does so as part of several enzymes. (A form of supplement is that of Manganese Sulfate); and David H. Baker, professor emeritus of animal sciences and nutritional sciences found that cupric oxide, long used as a copper supplement in animal and human vitamin-mineral supplements, was not absorbed by the body, leading many supplement makers to switch to copper sulfate. (All this information was found using Proquest and Infotrac. FYI these are online databases that contain up to date material on any and all subjects. They meet the reseach needs for all academic principle) To Biffsup, please do not assume that googling these minerals is a way to get accurate information! There is a lot more to researching than what you find on google and yahoo. They teach this in grade school as well! |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
06/20/2007 | I did search up Copper Sulfate. In low doses copper sulfate and all the other minerals you mentioned do have helpful benefits when in a diet. The warnings you mention consist of a high abundance of copper sulfate (and all the other minerals). The amount of these minerals in NV are extremely low and only promote the healthy aspects of the mineral. And I quote from your own comment "Copper sulfate is a naturally-occurring inorganic salt and copper is an essential trace element in plant and animal nutrition (5, 6, 7, 13, 16). It is available in the following formulations: dusts, wettable powders, and fluid concentrates (17). " So do you like it or not? |
| Biffsup3
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06/20/2007 | But you did not add sulfate at the end when you did your search did you only health? DUH...
Copper sulfate is a fungicide used to control bacterial and fungal diseases of fruit, vegetable, nut and field crops. Some of the diseases that are controlled by this fungicide include mildew, leaf spots, blights and apple scab. It is used in combination with lime and water as a protective fungicide, referred to as Bordeaux mixture, for leaf application and seed treatment. It is also used as an algaecide, an herbicide in irrigation and municipal water treatment systems, and as a molluscicide, a material used to repel and kill slugs and snails. Copper sulfate is a naturally-occurring inorganic salt and copper is an essential trace element in plant and animal nutrition (5, 6, 7, 13, 16). It is available in the following formulations: dusts, wettable powders, and fluid concentrates (17).
MANGANESE SULFATE WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. AFFECTS LUNGS, CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM, BLOOD AND KIDNEYS. MAY CAUSE IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY TRACT.
ferrous sulfate: Ferrous sulfate can also be used to color concrete. It is best used for newly cured concrete. Mix with water until saturated and spray onto concrete. The color will range from yellow to rust. greenish crystalline compound, FeSO47H2O, used as a pigment, fertilizer, and in sewage and water treatment
Like I stated before only the amino acid complex minerals are used by the body. So facts are facts.
Just because you add health after it does not make it true, look it up as they state it on the package, copper sulfate.... not "copper health" totaly different thing all together. Most would agree with that. |
| puppyloverkb
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06/20/2007 | Also, Biffsup, you say I give small pet stores a bad name and yet in that same sentence, you acuse me of working for NV. Well, which is it? You also claim that I only support foods that I sell in my store, well, I can tell you right now that I strongly endorce Primal, Artemis, Go! Natural, Timberwolf and Orijen but I do not carry those foods in my store. Read below for information on the minerals that "apparently" cause harm to humans and animals. |
| puppyloverkb
(18)
06/20/2007 | Doesn't everyone love it that when people get caught they start insulting and using age as an argument. By the by, you still haven't said where you got your information about those minerals being dangerous to dogs and humans. Here are some fact from the internet (All you have to do is google the mineral and say health afterwords) SOme of this information is also from some scientific research sites that can only be accesed with a password so unfortunetly I can't really tell you how to get there. But, here is what I found on ferrous, copper, and maganase: Manganese: a mineral that is found in whole grains, cereals, fruits, vegetables, and tea. It is used as a supplement for diabetes, epilepsy (seizures), high cholesterol (blood fats), Parkinson's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and schizophrenia. Manganese is also used for strains, sprains, and inflammation (soreness and swelling). Other names for Manganese include: Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Chloride, Manganese Picolinate, and Manganese Gluconate. Copper: As modern researches continue to investigate the role of copper in the functioning of the human body, the efficacy of copper as a trace element critical to human health and wellness is slowly but surely being discovered . . . or, shall we say, rediscovered, since the incredible healing properties of copper have been understood and used throughout human history. Ferrous sulfate: provides the iron needed by the body to produce red blood cells. It is used to treat or prevent iron-deficiency anemia, a condition that occurs when the body has too few red blood cells because of pregnancy, poor diet, excess bleeding, or other medical problems. |
| Biffsup3
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06/20/2007 | No maybe you should to do your research first Blue does not have the sulfates they only use amino acid complex of the copper, ferrous and maganese... Maybe you work for NV??? You seem to rate things without even using them first, people like you make this whole blog look like a joke. You post on every product in here even if you have used it or not.. You seem to be the one bashing every thing in here except what you use/sell. You give small pet stores a bad name by doing this. You know the only reason you do this is to bring down the ratings of very good foods. All because you think yours are the best. You also state you researched every item in the foods, but you didn't because what I stated is true. So please go back to school and stop posting (they teach this in grade school health classes). Like we would believe an 18 yr old. |
| puppyloverkb
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06/20/2007 | Where are you getting this information? FYI, you seem to like Blue Buffalo a lot, but these minerals are in that food too! From what I have read, these are good ingredients in a food. Stop bashing NV with unreal facts just to promote Blue Buffalo. . . which in fact has the same minerals that you do not like in NV. Do your research!! |
