Everybody says that you need to do grizz or kodiak or huskey or whatever or else your a baby dipper but let me ask you this waht brand of sip is 185 years old? Cope and when my great great great great great grandpa fought and died in gettysburg what was he dipping cope. So whos the baby now? Oh by the way Kodiak is alright but Its about the same price as cope and cope is the shit so thats what can i'll buy