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Global Warming

reviewed by Loerke

Many believe that Global Warming is caused by man's activity. 5=Significant Political Issue

Loerke
08/20/2007

Global Warming 5

MY LAST WORD ON THE MATTER: In the end of the day, few of us can claim to be earth scientists. We can keep throwing data back and forth at each other that we found on the internet to serve our purposes. That isn't science. Sure, an overwhelming consensus of scientists accepts global warming, but I understand that consensus does not make something a science, even if it's a consensus of scientists. The only way we can cut through the ideological web on both sides to observe what powerful people are doing, rather than what they are saying. That is the only way to read the sign of the times. What powerful people are doing is as follows: (1) mapping the Arctic Sea's oil resources, currently being undertaken by oil companies which had not previously recognized that the oil there could be profitably extracted, but are now preparing to undertake oil extraction because the ice poles are melting thanks to their own activities; (2) developing contingency plans for resource conflicts, currently being undertaken by the military think tanks of Canada, Russia, and the United States. If you don't see the truth, you're so gullible you'll believe any of the talking points that Bush and the hard right feeds you.

For some reason, this window returns an error every time I submit the original post, so I'll just try putting it on the comments page.

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Wiseguy commented 827 days ago.
In typical Liberal fashion you confuse the issue, sad stories and all. There is no question that there is climate change, how do you explain global warming during the middle ages? then the little ice age that followed. Greenland used to be Green. The earth constantly changes. How much does man have to do with that today? I don't know...neither do you, or anyone else.

Victor83 commented 827 days ago.
Loerke...WAHT SHOULD THE MEAN TEMPERATURE OF EARTH BE??? ONCE AND FOR ALL...PLEASE...ANSWER THAT SIMPLE QUESTION!

Victor83 commented 827 days ago.
Loerke...I am waiting...

Victor83 commented 827 days ago.
Well loerke...it is obvious I will get no answer to that SIMPLE question. That also makes it obvious that when you said "liar or a political tool", you were referring to yourself. Thanks for the clarification.

magellan commented 827 days ago.
Victor, I think the short answer is that the mean temperature of earth should be one that supports the continued high quality of life for humans. Can we agree on that?

Wiseguy commented 827 days ago.
Vic, I say we invade the North Pole, theres oil up there and we don't want the Reds to get their hands on it. They've been trying for a while now...

Flick01 commented 827 days ago.
The limited space here permits me to address only one of the concerns you mention, so I will offer some food for thought concerning temperature changes. The summer heat wave that struck Europe in 2003, which some have attributed to global warming, was caused by an atmospheric pressure anomaly. As the United Nations Environment Program reported in September 2003, This extreme wheather was caused by an anti-cyclone firmly anchored over the western European land mass holding back the rain-bearing depressions that usually enter the continent from the Atlantic ocean. This situation was exceptional in the extended length of time (over 20 days) during which it conveyed very hot dry air up from south of the Mediterranean. Record temperatures hot and cold are set every day around the world; thats the nature of records. Statistically, any given place will see four record high temperatures set every year. There is evidence that daytime high temperatures are staying about the same as for the last few decades, but nighttime lows are gradually rising. Global warming might be more properly called, Global less cooling. For more detailed information see Patrick J. Michaels book, Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media.

Victor83 commented 827 days ago.
magellan..obviously. Yet...one cannot say that it is to hot or that we are "warming" too fast without a reference point. And that is what the nuts are trying to do. And Wise...remember...this is the EXACT same crowd who, in the 1970's, warned of the coming of a second ice age. By 1983, their communist spiel had changed to "global warming".

Flick01 commented 827 days ago.
I neglected to put in quotation marks and without them it could give the impression everything I stated was said by the United Nations Environmental Program. The first quotation mark should have started the sentence "This extreme weather was caused by an anti-cyclone." The closing quotation mark should have been placed after the words "hot dry air up from south of the Mediterranean." Please forgive the oversight.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
Victor, I don't see what your point is. Why would one need to specify an acceptable rate of change here, other than to say that it's changing our way of life? The term "liar" is not mine, but one you have applied to me. aWiseguy asks the question about WHY global warming is happening. We know it's happening and that's really the only point up for debate.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
I mean, the only point up for debate is WHY global warming is happening, which is what aWiseguy is suggesting we debate. That's reasonable. But to deny that it is happening at an alarming rate of change is simply to lie.

Victor83 commented 826 days ago.
Loerke, if calling me a liar makes you feel better- its your computer keyboard- but it doesn't alter truth. The earth has always gone through patterns of warming and cooling. I never said temperatures don't change, here or in any other thread. The debate is whether or not it is "changing at an alarming rate"- which is absurd. The debate is whether or not the activities of man are causing accelerated warming, which they are not...as I pointed out in my review. All that aside, thanks for dismissing a question you could not answer. You can't say it is too hot or too cool, changing at an "alarming" rate, etc. if you have no reference point. Thanks.

Wiseguy commented 826 days ago.
Loerke, I never asked the question why global warming is happening. Read my first comment again. climate change has wiped out entire spices of animals, again, you tell stories, and you bring no historical perspective to the topic.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
wiseguy, don't be ridiculous. your review begins, "there is no consensuses among scientists that climate change or global warming is caused by man." you're asking whether it's caused by human activity or by some other process.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
vic: fine. since you're going to keep denying science, let me start making fun of science, too. the earth's mean temperature should be 56.87980934890809 degrees.

Victor83 commented 826 days ago.
Loerke, I gave you scientific evidence from a scientist who has credentials coming out his ears- an expert in this field. That is not "making fun of science". As you said ealier- let's not get ridiculous here.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
ARE YOU FRICKIN' KIDDING ME? MSNBC USED ALL ITS DILIGENCE TO ONE SCIENTIST TO SAY HE'S NOT SURE!!!

Victor83 commented 826 days ago.
Q: Here's a line from a recent Mother Jones article: "There is overwhelming scientific consensus that greenhouse gases emitted by human activity are causing global average temperatures to rise." Is that true? A: It's completely unsupported by any observation, but it's supported by computer climate models. In other words, the computer models would indicate this. The observations do not. There is the 1st Q&A...how you get "unsure" out of that is beyond me. Maybe you should actually READ it.

Loerke commented 826 days ago.
ORIGINAL POST: The disbelievers betray some hysteria in their rebuttals. First, let's just not quote Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times for evidence, please. Everyone knows that it's the most conservative paper in the country, and has no problems cherry-picking evidence. Second, to say that the idea of global warming was fabricated by a multimillion-dollar industry is just hilariously myopic. No matter how much money may go into alternative energy and climate science, it is dwarfed by the multi-trillion-dollar oil industry, probably the largest industry in the world. The economic interests are massively on the side of the disbelievers, just as they were on the side of those who refused to believe that smoking causes cancer. Finally, let's consider the best point made by the disbelievers: that we don't know what earth's mean temperature should be. That argument shows some progressive thinking, since it accepts the idea that the earth's temperature may be changing. The question, however, is not what the earth wants the temperature to be, since it frankly has no perfect temperature and doesn't care whether we humans survive or not, but what we need it to be to maintain our current living habits, rather than all packing up and moving inland. You don't need to watch An Inconvenient Truth, which I haven't seen, to recognize how our life-world is changing. All Victor and WiseGuy need to do is see what the Pentagon is doing (not exactly a liberal source!), which is currently making oil maps of the North Pole in the knowledge that, as this area continues to melt, wars will be fought over a new place for human habitation whose natural resources that can be extracted for trillions of dollars in profit. Read the full Pentagon report here. Frankly, I don't know what to say to adherents of the right wing who won't even listen to the Pentagon. Jeez. If the Pentagon's recent behavior isn't enough evidence for you, let me quote McKenzie Funk's article "Cold Rush" (Harper's, Sept. 2007): "This was the year [2007] that drought-crazed camels rampaged through a village in Australia, a manatee swam past Chelsea Piers in New York City's Hudson River, and the Netherlands announced that its famous Elfstedentocht ice-skating race might have to be postponed forever. Armadillos reached northeast Arkansas. Wolves ate dogs in Alaska. Fire consumed 50 million acres of Siberia. Greenland lost a hundred gigatons of ice. The Inuit got air-conditioning units. The polar bear lurched toward the endangered-species list. India's Ghoramara Island was mostly lost to the Bay of Bengal, Papua New Guinea's Malasiga village was mostly lost to the Solomon Sea, and Alaska's Shishmaref village decided to evacuate before being lost to the Chukchi Sea. Canadian scientists reported that the forty-square-mile Ayles ice shelf had broken off Ellesmere Island and formed a rapidly melting island of its own. A European satellite showed a temporary crack in the ice pack leading from northern Russia all the way to the North Pole. The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration announced that last winter was the warmest since it began keeping records, which was in 1880. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change announced that the last twelve years were the warmest in human history." If you continue to be a disbeliever, you are either a liar or a political tool.

Wiseguy commented 826 days ago.
Loerke my friend, I have issues with grammar now and then but in my post I was making a statement, not asking a question.

CanadaSucks commented 826 days ago.
Ignore science? Pay the price.

Victor83 commented 825 days ago.
CS..I have no idea who is "ignoring science". Certainly not I.
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