The 3's are LIGHTER than the downlows?? I would think that because the kingpins just inverted (like a GK) and shorter, that the downlow would be lighter. Is this a physical-conclusion(i.e. hold in your hand) versus being weighed on a scale? Hmmm... and you know, I would think the new Krux 3's would weigh just about the same as their Indy parent. They are both manufactured by NHS.