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Liberalism

reviewed by numbah16tdhaha

A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

numbah16tdhaha
10/03/2007

Liberalism 2

I dunno, it seems like you ask a liberal why they are a liberal and what it means to be one and you can't get a straight answer. Its almost like they identify as one to not be one of those guys on the right. I still can't get one of those campus monster shouters to give a clean definition or reason for being one and all I get from the right is that its some form of mental illness. Now they got some good ideas like the polar opposite to them does and lately I've just been trying to go with whatever position on a given issue that I think makes good sense, but I also notice that since my version of sense goes with the right more than the left "liberals" relegate me to an evolutionary status somehow infreior to theirs, so I cannot bring myself to give this "liberalism" more than a two since its practitioners continue to judge me while claiming enlightenment.

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Mathew Russo commented 785 days ago.
Maybe you cannot get a "straight answer" because you are too busy clinging to your generalizations of what you think a liberal is--when instead you would do better to ask a specific question. What is a "campus monster shouter?" Is that your view of "a liberal"? I'm a liberal, and I don't look like a monster or shout on campuses. So now you don't want to be considered a "Liberal" because you have stated that liberals (in your exact word) "RELEGATE" you to a status? Here's some advice for you, in three simple points; 1. Talk to people and have conversation with them. This includes asking them questions on their views. 2. If you want to generalize and come up with cutesy names to attack what you don't understand, I can almost guarantee you won't learn anything---then again, I'm still trying to determine if you really want to. 3. Never state that "liberals" have done anything to you, including "relegate(tion)." You aren't speaking for all of them, and I don't even think you know who they are. I'm a liberal, and I could care less where you are on the "evolutionary status." The only other time i've even heard political parties juxtapositioned with "evolutionary status" was on a Rush Limbaugh radio broadcast, oddly enough. Sincerely, Mathew.

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. YOU, Matthew Russo, are only too willing to go ripping into me and my character without trying to understand the basis for my statement. "Campus Monster Shouters" as I have called them profess themselves to be enlightened liberals while calling me a knuckle dragging moron, and for all your attempts at intelectualism you have just done the same. I can't have a conversation with these idiots since everytime I make a valid point they dismiss it and call me "cutesy names" and try to lump me in with Rush Limbaugh while suggesting that I am incapable of thinking for myself. Sincerly, Corporal Michael James Whyman, USMC (not active but still a Marine)

ProgrammerRingo commented 784 days ago.
You base your entire review on your exposure to a few liberals which do not, by anyone's measure, represent all of liberals in the least. I'm sorry you feel slighted by liberals, as though you are on a lower "evolutionary scale". I do not feel this way about you and I don't think that Matthew Russo does either. Your review is unfair and far too general but that doesn't indicate

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
Now now, as my mental illness remark illustrates I am also SKEPTICAL of the vision of liberalism being sold by idiots like RUSH, and that's perhaps a reason why Matthew here lumping me in with him is rather aggrivating. Matthew here would rather try to talk over my head like he's better than me than talk to me straight and he can defend himself for that. I also know that their are left leaning people out there and yes, even on RIA that can present liberalism in the good light that its ideals should enjoy rather than the disdain that much of the population has for it based on the people who speak for it. The mouthpieces on both sides are divisive and judgemental and that needs to knock it off, too. Until that happens we get more snide BS instead of intelligent debate.

Mathew Russo commented 784 days ago.
7 For Numbah: Round 2. Numbah wrote: See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. YOU, Matthew Russo, are only too willing to go ripping into me and my character without trying to understand the basis for my statement. Me: Let me correct you sir. I didn't rip on your character--I know nothing about you so that would be impossible for me to do. You'll have to back up your accusation and quote me where I called you some kind of name. That's my challenge for you sir. Let me correct you AGAIN sir. You called liberals all kinds of names in your text, including "campus monster." Don't accuse others of "ripping" people when they DON'T and you yourself DO. Numbah wrote: "Campus Monster Shouters" as I have called them profess themselves to be enlightened liberals while calling me a knuckle dragging moron, and for all your attempts at intelectualism you have just done the same. Me: I never called you anything sir. Re-read my text and stop spinning it. I have no idea what kind of issues you have with other people, but I'm not them, I have no idea who "THEY" are...nor do I care. The fact you tie what I say into what happened to in your experience is purely (and logically) ridiculous. By the way, you spelled "Intelectualism" wrong--it gets two letter "L's." Numbah: I can't have a conversation with these idiots since everytime I make a valid point they dismiss it and call me "cutesy names" Me: Would you consider calling liberals idiots, as you just did, to be one of those "cutesy names?" Also, to have a conversation would require you to have a point other than to call liberals names like "campus monsters." Try discussing issues instead of your negative views. And please stop accusing everyone of calling you names as you are running a high tab of doing it yourself. It knocks your "credibility stock" down several dollars a day. Numbah: and try to lump me in with Rush Limbaugh while suggesting that I am incapable of thinking for myself. Me: There you go again. Deriving things from my text that you think are there. I said it was ironic that someone such as yourself who attacks liberals for "not having their own ideas" is spouting something that Rush Limbaugh has spouted off. It's called IRONY. Look it up. As for original ideas, since you have posted twice now and cannot address specific issues, I will fault you for it. Sincerely, Mathew. www(dot)MathewRusso(dot)net

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
See now, this is just what I'm talking about. I miss an "L" typing. Its typing and I'm bad at it. Yes, you are accusing me of all the things I mentioned and you think you are clever enough for me not to see through it, or least that you are clever enough to deny it in a plausable manner since you technically didn't call me anything. YOU ARE TRANSPARENT. Own it, man, and show some spine. I'm standing behind all of my words, you should try standing behind yours instead of trying to "spin" me as the unreasonable party here. I have been saying all along that there is room for intelligent debate (my own words). You seem to prefer to make coy and guarded insults because you lack the goods to take me, a common tactic that you've flaunted all over this site. You hope to aggrivate me in to blowing my top because it would prove you right, correct? I laugh at the attempt. By the way, even my liberal friends think people that behave in the manner I have described are grandstanders with no substance. (I bounce these things off of people from time to time, you know, intelligent debate and all)

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
Hey, funny thought. Why, Matthew, have my statements about liberals made you so defensive? Why do you feel the need to undercut these words I speak, anyways? Meditate on this, I will, for the key to understanding your mindset, this is...

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
"I also know that their are left leaning people out there and yes, even on RIA that can present liberalism in the good light that its ideals should enjoy rather than the disdain that much of the population has for it based on the people who speak for it. The mouthpieces on both sides are divisive and judgemental and that needs to knock it off, too. Until that happens we get more snide BS instead of intelligent debate." You forgot to take issue with any of that, by the way.

louiethe20th commented 784 days ago.
Trust the "force" Numbah!!! Overcome this you will.

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
Overcome this, I have. Slippery and ill-tempered he is, but if calm numbah remains, no refuge does he have, for only in inciting anger does this one gain power. Perhaps the Jedi code he could gain enlightenment from...

Mathew Russo commented 784 days ago.
With all due respect Nimbah, I don't think you have any views on issues--you are more content to banter and harass people back and fourth in posts such as this. You call me defensive, yet--you have attacked me, name-called me, and you are the one writing continual short-written, high-tone posts one after another... I'm not that concerned about it. If you hate all liberals based on your misconceptions of them, it doesn't bother me much. I'm involved in politics, and you're not. The universe has a way of always homeostatically correcting itself--so I am quite content. You can call me whatever name in the book you wish...and laugh all you want sir. Since you are not discussing issues, there is no more discussion. If you come to your senses and want to discuss issue, I'll reconsider my decision to not respond to your posts. Sincerely, Mathew

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
Not involved in politics, you say? Vote, I do! Blog I do not post, but such things are not needed for one to be involved. Humor, you do not like? Shameful, for fun the humor is. With this I leave you: Tell you I cannot if I wish to discuss things, for blocked me you have.

numbah16tdhaha commented 784 days ago.
More care should you take with your keyboard, Matthew, for "nimbah" my name is not.

louiethe20th commented 784 days ago.
Homeo, Homeo, where for art thou Homeo???

numbah16tdhaha commented 783 days ago.
Yeah, its the odd double standard that is the core of the problem, particularly in the college set, whereby a liberal has every right to free speech but the conservative viewpoint is silenced by mob rule. I also noticed that despite his claims of being about issues, Russo does indeed throw around generalizations, most notably this "right wing nutbag" one that you sited, Flick. Curiously, I too am eager to see this pig that has come up. He was supposed to fly over the formation where I was promoted to Corporal a few years back and I still wanna see that little porker soar...

Flick01 commented 783 days ago.
Mr Russo has demonstrated his contempt for opposing view holders by "unapologetically" referring to us as "right-wing nutbags" in a number of his reviews. His disrespect for my point of view is evident in that he considers me and all Conservatives to be right wing nutbags. I am sure he would want me to separate the left wing radical extremists from the average liberal (speculation on my part but I am giving the benefit of the doubt in his favor) but he does not afford us the same consideration. I invite any and all members of RIA to look over my body of reviews and find one instance where I call liberals names or demean their character for their views. The reason liberals will not debate you in an honest forum and they relegate you to knuckle dragging status, is because while Conservatives think Liberals are misguided, Liberals think Conservatives are evil. Under the guise of "fighting evil" many feel it gives them a license to behave despicably in their quest for power as shown by websites such as the Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, etc. Too often Liberals are for change just for the sake of change without understanding the effects on human beings. Their views are not very congruent with reality, which is why, whenever they are tried, they don't work, and why they have to keep proposing the same ideas over and over. If they did work, liberal societies such as what we see in Amsterdam and Sweden would have already solved all our problems and we would be living in an almost Utopian society which they believe, only liberalism alone can accomplish. Mr Russo states in one of his reviews "Give me a right winger who can attempt to make a logical point without the leftist name calling and use of "the bible" and I'll show you a pig that can fly." Mr Russo sir, you may not agree with my points but I have made an attempt to make a logical point and I have not resorted to any name calling (either here or in any of my reviews) nor have I made any reference to the Bible. Therefore I am requesting you to please show me the flying pig.

Flick01 commented 782 days ago.
Numbah, I don't wish to speak for you but perhaps I can help clarify the term "campus monster shouters." If Michael Moore or the publisher of the NY Times is invited to speak on a college campus their views are allowed to be heard and while Conservative students may protest peacefully they allow the person to speak. Not so with our liberal friends. Lakeside School, a Seattle prep school, canceled an appearance by Conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza because they did not like his views regarding race, a position which a good number of Conservatives disagree with as well. At Columbia University the school would not tolerate Minuteman Jim Gilcrest's freedom of speech. The students disrupted Gilcrest's appearance to the point of terminating his speaking engagement with students yelling, "He has no right to speak!" so apparently anyone with whom they disagree has no right to express their viewpoints. College president Lee Bollinger won't "tolerate" the ROTC on campus but he welcomed Iranian President Ahmadinejad with open arms. At San Francisco State University, Conservative author David Horowitz had his entire speech shouted down by a group of protesters. How many times has Ann Coulter been shouted down or Clarence Thomas been "uninvited" to speak at a college function simply because they hold Conservative views? I find it disingenuous when people like Rush, Sean, and Michael Savage are accused of hate speech while no one seems to notice items such as what took place last May when Liberal talk show host Michael McGee announced on the air he was glad that his rival Conservative talk show host Charlie Sykes' mother died in a fire at her home. I can only imagine the uproar if a Conservative such as Rush or Sean would have said the same thing about a Liberal competitor, but seeing how McGee is a Liberal there was no outrage or condemnation from the media "watchdogs" who scrutinize every word that comes from the mouth of Conservative talk show hosts.
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