Well, on DC's, you really have to be careful on which model you get. I went to the DC store in NYC and got these black and white shoes with a weird rubber part on the back,and it had an air cushion on the bottom (I didn't know better). I can't find them on the internet or anything, so that either tells me they're new or they are one of those shoes that the company is too ashamed of to advertise. They are some awesome lookin shoes, and very confortable, but probably the worst skate shoes I have ever gotten. Now, I tried me friend's shoes, I don't know what kind they were, but they were pretty good. Pretty grippy, and looked pretty good, but for some reason it wasn't as good as my friend made it sound. I give it 2 stars. Not trying to be a fag by bashin anyone down, but I don't exactly recommend this shoe for skateboarding.