| REVIEWER | REPLY |
 | fitman
(51)
04/28/2008 | I guess I'll never know the answer to lmorovan's question because someone has 'protected' me from the trauma of having to decide for myself whether or not the profane, vulgar and offensive post left by "mechanic" was worthy of attention. |
 | lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Is there a reason this profane, vulgar and offensive post by "mechanic" is still up?
http://www.rateitall.com/i-51205-house-arrest-with-ankle-monitor-suggested-by-jed1000.aspx |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | "Machines are unable to lie LM."
Agree. But machines can be manipulated. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Magellan, why not create a bank of avatars from where members can choose and make it a requirement to place it on their homepage. If new members don't have a picture of themselves or don't want to post one, give them the choice of using an avatar from the bank. But make it a requirement. |
 | magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | Machines are unable to lie LM. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | I know it is against the rules and that is why I don't do it, and that is why I brought it up, and that is why I insist on finding a way to fix the problem because I do not appreciate being called dishonest, liar, cheater, shameless, etc. on account of a malfunctioning web site. |
| magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | LM, only members who add a photo show up as new members. And congratulations, you created yet another duplicate account to prove your point. Yes, it is possible to create a duplicate account, either via MySpace or Facebook, or simply logging out and rejoining. And yes, it is possible to pad your own helpful votes. But the point is, it's against the rules! How can I get this across to you... |
| fitman
(51)
04/27/2008 | Assuming we've seen all the available evidence, I'm not ready to find lmorovan GUILTY beyond a reasonable doubt. There ARE strange things going on around here. Example: Take a look at Amethystine's review of http://www.rateitall.com/i-901961-canadasucks.aspx . Note there are -2 (minus two) funny votes for her review. How does that happen? |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Of course, magellan could use this as an excuse to terminate my account here, but I wanted to prove my point and the vulnerability. I wonder who else could have access to this ms-9 digit account likely showing up under my ISP address. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | I just found out that the account:
ms-170768746's Contributions
* 0 reviews made by ms-170768746
* 0 ratings left by ms-170768746
* 0 new listings contributed by ms-170768746
* 0 helpful votes for ms-170768746's reviews
* 0 funny votes for ms-170768746's reviews
* 0 agreements for ms-170768746's reviews
was not deleted as I requested a few weeks ago, and the repeat message you see bellow is the proof of the vulnerability of RIA regarding members who have My Space accounts. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | What hole? The truth? |
 | MariusQelDroma
(37)
04/27/2008 | Imorovan, you are one piece of work. If you want to keep digging that hole just a little bit deeper with each post, far be it for me to stop you. Just know that when the end of your tenure comes, you brought all the rope. :) |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Want another vivid example?
On the home page, there is a section called Reviewers. If you check the "New" tab, you will see, for example the member "heezhee" who signed up on 4-25-2008. Now, if you look at the "Active Today" tab, you will see a member "fb 10860180354" who signed up on 4-26-2008 and already has 15 rating, with no reviews, no votes, etc. How come this member who is newer than the other one doesn't show up as a new member? |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Irrelevant to this incident. |
 | numbah16tdhaha
(161)
04/27/2008 | If I needed things explained to me I wouldn't be numbah. You know this just the internet, right? Anywho, a change in my living arrangements had me moving into a house with my brother a little over a year ago and we both already had accounts. What then? |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | numbah, I told you already that my wife opened an account in February when I first signed up for RIA. All reviews, rating and votes were gone exactly on March 31, when I deleted my account. I returned a few hours later and it all started at 0, that is zero. My wife's account was deleted before I returned and whatever she posted oor rated was gone with the deletion. I did receive a warning during the life of my first account regarding the multiple accounts issue and was even suspended for a few days until I explained my ignorance regarding other members of the family not being permitted to have accounts from the same home. Perhaps you have missed it when I explained it to you. |
| numbah16tdhaha
(161)
04/27/2008 | Don't look at me, your outlook on a great many things swiped my funny title. Don't worry, though, I'm training with the comedic equivilent of the trainer from Rocky and I'm going to get my belt back... |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | I know. And it is funny that when the "helpful" votes disappeared, none of the "funny" did. Kind of like somebody purposefully wanted me to show up the funniest member. |
| numbah16tdhaha
(161)
04/27/2008 | Re-read, I never said that. I did say that it looks funny even if the scenario you present is accurate and your wife gave the helpfuls. I don't know so I won't speculate either way. I'm telling you that funny looking helpfuls dissolve around here, even if they are mine. Come to think of it, they don't even have to look funny. I had 54,000 of them a few months ago and lost a ton when a reviewer purged an account that must of had alot of weblists I rated. I asked what happened, got a straight answer on where SIX THOUSAND of the fool things went, and said, "Oh, okay. That makes sense." Again, SIX THOUSAND. Others lost as much, a couple lost more. Think on that before you look for the Cigarette Smoking Man among the RIA admin. |
| magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | You are the funniest reviewer :) |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | No, I am open and transparent, something that makes some people uncomfortable. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | OK, magellan, before you go, I hereby publicly give you authorization to post the username and the password of any other account(s) you accuse me of creating and using. |
| magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | You are a piece of work. Shameless! |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | numbah, you mean I am purposefully creating another account to grant myself votes and then tell magellan that there is the potential of doing so from reviewers who have FaceBook and MySPace accounts? Even providing proof by giving him the false account number that was created using my login and and password? It certainly shows little attention when presenting verifiable proof. I can't believe this. It's like telling you, hey, I am going to steal your money and this is how I will do it. And then I do it. Unbelievable. |
| magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | Guess what LM. Here's another vulnerability: Anybody can create a second account (without going to MySpace or Facebook) and use it to give themselves helpful votes. Here's how: 1) logout; 2) Join RateItAll under a separate user name; 3) vote your own reviews helpful. Fortuntely, most people choose not to cheat LM. I'm done with this conversation. |
| numbah16tdhaha
(161)
04/27/2008 | See, I've got some allies running around here, Imorovan, so perhaps it me you need to hear from. Image is everything in this situation, and if all you wife does is log on and flip you helpfuls, it looks bad. Do my friends and my brother contribute to my outrageous total? I wouldn't be the number one reviewer if they didn't, rather git would still be there. (he might be heading back there, too) They also make reviews and are known to the reviewing public, and everybody knows exactly who they are. Meanwhile the admin sees mystery reviewers who only give you helpfuls showing your IP adress. Of course they are going to be suspicious! If you have nothing going on, my advice is get above board, take your losses, and move on. You are not the only person who has lost helpfuls in the history of RIA. Most of us lost some at some point. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | I warned you a few weeks ago about the potential vulnerability of RIA coming from both Facebook and MySpace. I told you about the fact that any RIA members which have FaceBook and MySpace accounts, if they keep both RIA and the other open, some kind of bug creates another member name using ms-9 digits and fb-10 digits. I called your attention that there were many new members showing up with aliases of ms-9 digits and fb-10 digits. I told you that it can cause unscrupulous members to use two accounts and potentially manipulate the ratings. I even gave you the ms-9 digit number that was showing up on my RIA account. I asked you to please, delete that account because it was not mine and I didn't want to be accused of using multiple accounts. What did you do? Send me a notice that those accounts were legitimate? Should I believe now that there are other people who have access to the PMs I send you, because, evidently, if you found an account using my IP address, and it was used to artificially inflate my ratings, then somebody had access to that ms-9 digit false account I sent you. Houston, YOU have a problem. |
| magellan
(177)
04/27/2008 | No LM. I'm confirming that you cheated. Twice. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/27/2008 | Rude as expected. Anyway, if you found two accounts, you are confirming that RIA is vulnerable to hackers attack and mine and everyone else's privacy is at risk. I hope that is not the case, because if it is, you got yourself a bigger problem than me. I suggest you take the necessary action to safeguard the privacy which so boldly the site claims to protect. |
| magellan
(177)
04/26/2008 | LM, I hope you are practicing monogamy. Because two different accounts have been deleted since you joined, both whose sole activity was to award you helpful votes. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/26/2008 | How about this example:
TODD TAMANEND CLARK's Contributions
* 0 reviews made by TODD TAMANEND CLARK
* 3084 ratings left by TODD TAMANEND CLARK
* 8 new listings contributed by TODD TAMANEND CLARK - Read All Listings
* 0 helpful votes for TODD TAMANEND CLARK's reviews
* 0 funny votes for TODD TAMANEND CLARK's reviews
* 0 agreements for TODD TAMANEND CLARK's reviews |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/26/2008 | That didn't happen. Of course, if she agrees with my review and finds it helpful, she would have the same right as any other member to mark it as such. Problem is, we have a new issue here: is it obligatory to post reviews in order to qualify for the right to rate any other reviewer? If so, what is the limit? Can a new member simply limit him/herself to read and rate reviews or it is a requirement to actually post reviews? |
| fitman
(51)
04/26/2008 | Since I don't know what your wife did with her account, I really can't have an opinion, but if she used it solely to award you 'helpful' votes, I can understand why it was considered illicit. |
| lmorovan
(19)
04/26/2008 | Of course, there are exceptions, as you may read numbah's comment on another review. I wonder what requirements or qualifications are needed to be allowed to violate site rules without consequences? |
| fitman
(51)
04/26/2008 | Very reasonable defense. When I first saw you accused of having multiple accounts, my thoughts on the matter were precisely the same as your explanation. |
