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Non-blood medicine was spearheaded by brave doctors working with Jehovah's Witnesses the world over. Through their well organized Hospital Liason Committees they have spread vital envelop pushing skills to the fringes of the medical world. Through even many places in developing countries you can now choose whether you wish blood medicine or the cheaper, often safer and more reliable non-blood medicine. When choosing most people rather not to have a transfusion. Blood transfusions were developed mostly in the second world war. But if such a thing was introduced today the FDA would probably reject it as a dangerous drug. (You never know, though, because they are making a huge profit off of it.)

Be an educated consumer and then make sure you have a health care agent and a health care proxy. Jehovah's Witnesses are well educated and informed on these matters, because they care about your health and their own. But mostly wish to serve God acceptably AND enjoy good health.

Thousands of patient visitation groups of qualified Jehovah's Witnesses make certain that fellow believers are cared for in every way. A patient who has visitors statistically gets better care than those who no one has visited.

Of course their beliefs are illogical and in left field to most people. That is why they get radically different results. For one, they are united worldwide and at peace. Ever hear of a county that doesn't complain of Witnesses knocking on doors? (Well, maybe not Arab countries, they are underground there. Talk about God or Jesus and get you head cut off! :P)

Ever hear of Witnesses rising up against the government? No. In fact, no one can say that anyone has died in war by a Witness since when a Witness goes to war this is considered self removal from being a Witness as it is against central doctrine to participate in war or politics.

Speaking the gospel from door to door and really anywhere a person can is simply doing what Jesus and his EARLY disciples did. Read Acts 1:8 where Jesus commanded his followers do this and then read the rest of Acts where they make this their way of life even in the face of persecution and death.

Jehovah's Witnesses are spoken against everywhere and viewed as a joke. But 'he that has ears to hear,' Jesus said, 'let him hear.'

Acts 28:22 "We think it proper to hear from [Paul, an actual Christian, as opposed to hearsay] what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against."

Oh, blah, blah, blah...keep yapping it still won't change the fact that this is a dangerous, creepy – and YES - unbiblical little organization.

Just for the record - the fact I base my opinion on is that one of my great aunts died due to a car accident and refusal to accept a life-saving blood transfusion. No other alternative was available to save her life at the time of the accident (in the 1950’s) and by following the edicts of this organization – one which apparently values their beloved rules more than human life – she perished when she could have lived.

I have no interest in the philosophies of the deranged but I'm educated about the subject enough to know that my great aunt’s death was grossly unnecessary and based on the retarded ideas of a fanatic cult. With all the blood borne diseases there are today surely science would have come to many of the same conclusions without input from this group of door to door frauds. All things considered - I think it’s just a tad arrogant for one group to claim responsibility for all that progress.

And, as far as a “Witness” rising up against anything other than a group of boy scouts - well, that's just too hilarious to even contemplate. Let’s just say - I don’t think that paltry little band is going to cause Homeland Security any restless nights.

It's obvious to me that you were sucked in and indoctrinated long ago (perhaps from birth) and that you are quite content in your happy little world. But remember, the fact that you feel safe, convinced, and justified does not preclude the fact that people have died due to the stubborn stupidity manufactured within your world and that this cult stinks as much as any other as it dispenses the same brand of bullshit.

Don't worry Castle, their turnover rate is too high to pose any real threat.

Hello Castle, I was unable to read a lot of your message...due to the negativity and profanity :P but I did see the mention of your great aunt's death. My condolences.

Many people are familiar with the Bible laws telling of abstaining from blood as well as fornication and murder. But somehow they find these disregardable. Jehovah's Witnesses do not.

We live in a world which is hostile to obeying scripture. If you found yourself a captive in a country which sought to make you disobey the laws of your nation would you resist? A patriot would. A patriot would even resist to the death.

Memorial Day celebrates those who have given their lives for this country. Jehovah's Witnesses feel the same about their Creator. As well, they understand his laws and reasons for the use and non use of blood.

Surely, Castle, you have certain values that you hold more sacred than life? Or at least you can understand the concept?

I know, this will probably just irritate you, but I enjoyed and have a lot of the same of your choice in music in your account.

>>>Hello Castle, I was unable to read a lot of your message...due to the negativity and profanity :P but I did see the mention of your great aunt's death. My condolences.<<<

Oh, you poor little hot house rose. And how pathetic that in your attempt to state how above it all you are you only managed to show what a truly self-righteous liar you are; obviously you read it or how else would you have been able to deem it “profanity”? Don’t worry – a few little bleeps won’t send you to hell OR turn you to stone. (Oh, and please save your bogus condolences for the automatons in your Night of the Living Dead cult.)

>>>Many people are familiar with the Bible laws telling of abstaining from blood as well as fornication and murder. But somehow they find these disregardable. Jehovah's Witnesses do not.<<<

And many more people seem to have this strange habit of honing in on one line in the Bible and basing an entire religion on something taken completely out of context. And the Jehovah Witness cult – not unlike the Mormons and many others – DOES.

>>>We live in a world which is hostile to obeying scripture. If you found yourself a captive in a country which sought to make you disobey the laws of your nation would you resist? A patriot would. A patriot would even resist to the death.<<<

We all have our ideas of the meaning of patriotism. But hey – no one is saying you can’t play your little head games – the last time I checked a state of constant self-delusion was still within the law. But – by the same token – I have a right to another opinion and will express that right at any time or place I feel appropriate. And among other objections to cults - I heartily disagree that life of any kind should be endangered due to someone’s hair brained personal opinions.

>>>Memorial Day celebrates those who have given their lives for this country. Jehovah's Witnesses feel the same about their Creator. As well, they understand his laws and reasons for the use and non use of blood.<<<

Well, thank you very much professor – but, I am a veteran and the daughter, granddaughter and niece of veterans going back to the Civil War on both sides of my family. I don’t need an explanation on the meaning of Memorial Day. And, since I don’t buy in to your misinterpretation of scripture in the first place – I’m not really seeing the difference you’re talking about. Life is life and it is to be preserved at any cost...medicine, surgery, chemo therapy, blood - whatever. Any one of those things could fail but it’s all worth a shot when a life is on the line. Don’t ask the guy sitting in comfortably at home in front of the TV or listening to some preacher drone on – ask the one on the gurney with a bullet wound, the cancer patient or the woman who’s child has just been pulled from a car crash…but only if you want a truly honest and qualified answer.

>>>Surely, Castle, you have certain values that you hold more sacred than life? Or at least you can understand the concept?<<<

If wars and various other conflicts of the world were fought with death as the goal – why not just have one big mass suicide? So, no actually I don’t understand that concept because in my belief system there IS nothing more sacred than life – preservation of life NOT death is the goal. It’s easy to say otherwise if you have never come close to losing yours. Right now there is a baby in a hospital in my city who is about to die because his idiot parents belong to your cult and are more interested the BS (sanitized for the protection of the precious) it doles out than their own child’s life. My instincts as well as my faith tell me to preserve life by any means possible…especially innocent life. Now, if that baby grows up and decides to join a cult such as yours, then he will have made the decision to do so of his own free will. Right now he’s just another innocent pawn in a pointless chess game.

>>>I know, this will probably just irritate you, but I enjoyed and have a lot of the same of your choice in music in your account. <<<

You don’t irritate me – I think you’re sad. Just as I think all people are sad who feel that thought requires the involvement and approval of a committee. I believe in God and consider myself a christian – it’s just that I also believe that He wouldn’t have bothered to give me a brain if he didn’t also think I would try to put it to some use.

Thanks for clearing up how you feel about Jehovah's Witnesses. ;-)

Oh hon...its the same thing I said the first, second and third time. But it's clear from your sweet little passive aggressive remark that you won't or can't get it. Good luck with that. (o;

CastleBee,

I don't mean to be aggressive or passive aggressive. Christians should be able to get along don't you agree? Paul said in 1 Co. that unity of thought was important, Jesus' prayed when near death that his disciples be united and protected from the world's divisiveness. (John 17) If he prayed this near death it must have been pretty important for Christians to be united.

Jesus said 'where two or three are gathered in my name there I am also' and 'I give you my peace'. Should not Christians be able to reason on the scriptures peacefully and come to conclusions which unite them, since Jesus is there for all those searching for truth in sincerity?

I understand your point of view, I would feel the same if I thought that parents were mistreating their children or that people were following a dangerous teaching.

Letting your child die when there is a way to save it IS mistreatment. It doesn't matter what you, I or the Grand JW Pubah has to say about it.

I understand how a non-Christian could reason in that way. But how does a Christian do so? Did not God let his son die? Isn't that a fundamental tenant of Christianity (that there is a time and situation where even a son might have to give his life)?

However, it's really a fallacy that blood medicine must be used to save a life. Their is no guarantee that it will save the life.

In most procedures now non-blood medicine could be said to be safer if not for the reason that bio-foreign matter is not being transfused into an already distressed system.

At any rate, many doctors are not trained in these procedures and so to meet Witnesses wishes would have to adapt blood medicine without blood. That, obviously, is much more dangerous than a skilled surgeon using known non blood techniques.

Non blood medicine is a departure from standard operations. It requires different thinking. Some doctors are not comfortable with learning this. It requires meticulous care and some different surgical tools. Some times surgeons are not that careful to not cause bleeding since they have blood on hand to feed back into the system. It is also easier to prove malpractice.

But Jehovah's Witnesses don't wish to sue doctors whether they know these advanced techniques or not. They just wish that the doctors and other medical people do the best that they can do while respecting their wishes.

Where possible they use medical care technicians and facilities which are equipped for non-blood medical care.

Scriptural aspect: the scriptures about blood are straightforward. It is difficult in fact to take them any other way. When Noah stepped out of the ark and God informed him that they would now be eating meat he said 'but not the blood'. How was Noah to understand that? If he was alive today would he have said, well, I'm not actually going to be eating blood so...

I understand many people feel that Witnesses have some sort of mind control indoctrinating thing going on but most people who I question about this are pretty hostile to me, call me names and say how sorry they are for me, but cannot tell me how the scriptures say any differently with any sort of proof. Just that since Witnesses seem to be so different how could they be right?

I find no reasonable person able to make a calm defense of their statements and prove by references and scripture that what they say is so.

Thus, to consider what they say would be fearing humans instead of God.

Speaking to people of all sorts I have to say that atheists and agnostics are easier to understand and seem more congruent. How could Christians fight all of these wars, partake in politics and hold various kinds of standards when the scriptures they claim to follow curse that behavior?

Without an understanding and congruent observance of the sacredness of life and it's symbol, blood, how can Christians think that they will be able to benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice?

I don't get it.

>>However, it's really a fallacy that blood medicine must be used to save a life. Their is no guarantee that it will save the life.<<

LOL...NOTHING is guaranteed - I believe we've already covered this.

Here's what it boils down to...

1. Donating blood is an act of giving. It may not save you but it gives you a chance. It's a SELFLESS act.

2. Refusing to allow this chance is an act of selfishness based on what boils down a combination of ego and ignorance.

It has already been proven that blood transfusions CAN (may not always just like your meds) help. That is not a fallacy it is a fact.

>>>I don't get it. <<<

Yep.