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Sarah Palin - Governor of Alaska

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Sarah Palin - Governor of Alaska. McCain's official pick as a running mate for 2008

lix
10/27/2008

Sarah Palin - Governor of Alaska 5

An undereducated woman in office? You're appalled that a woman with a university degree took the grass roots approach to becoming community minded and active and rose from the PTA to hold the highest position in her state with an 80 percent approval rating... is running for vice president over a community organizer like Obama who can't seem to budget last month's 100 million plus surplus in terms of election funds to where he had a 3 million dollar deficit? I only wish that there were more people as 'under-educated' as Sarah Palin, in lgiht of the fact that most liberals seem to earn their political science degrees from watching five minutes of coverage on liberal news media.

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FranksWildYears commented 394 days ago.
Have you ever gone to a PTA meeting or a small town council meeting, honestly? The agenda of such bodies is mundane in the extreme. To equate that with national executive experience is a stretch that strains the credibility of the person making the claim.

lix commented 394 days ago.
Hm, but I didn't say just PTA, I said from her involvement, she continued upwards over a period of time wearing different hats to eventually be governor. How many other VP picks came from humble beginings, worked their way, some uneducated, some teachers, some starting their careers as mayors. I'm not saying PTA in itself is a qualification, any more than let's say an Obama supporter could rely simply on his 'community organizer' credentials.

FranksWildYears commented 394 days ago.
Fair point, in as much as the experience of a community organizer should be considered in the context of his Harvard Law degree, selection as the President of it's legal journal, the most prestigous in the land by the way, the fact that he balanced a law practice at which he rose to the level of partner, while he lectured on constitutional law at a major university and held down a seat in the state legislature. Does it seem to you like one person's qualifications are being minimized while another persons resume is being padded?

lix commented 394 days ago.
I would not dispute that he eventually obtained his law degree, however I would say that the education he was perhaps more greatly influenced by was the one he obtained outside the halls of education and justice, focusing it seems on social injustice within the black person's experience. Twenty years of being tutored about the injustices faced by the black man at the hands of the white, of pro-agitation values and anti-american and anti-jewish sentiment, detract from his more scholarly credentials. Even still, if we were to consider these to be strong reasons why to vote for him, he still lacks the experience that Palin has- and he's running for President while she is a Vice Presidential candidate.

FranksWildYears commented 394 days ago.
Says you. You are making an enormous leap of supposition to claim to know what part of his experience had the greatest influence on his thinking. You are either incredibly insightful or conveniently selecting the information that justifies your viewpoint.

lix commented 394 days ago.
I am incredibly thoughtful on the subject, as I do strongly believe that if you are weened by pigs for twenty years you come away speaking their language and smelling their stench, and there's no amount of thread nor magic to fashion silk from a sow's ear. Racist, anti-american, anti-jew sentiments rang in his ears for twenty years, nurtured him, lead him to teach how to agitate. Salinsky, Ayers (a marxist), Wright, Khalidi, Rezko, Graham-Felsen (a marxist).... and yet time and time again he says the views of these people do not reflect his views? To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.We were alienated. A quote by Obama himself.. http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/02/radical-saul-alinsky-influenced-obama.html I think I'd be inclined to believe I'm quite insightful :)

FranksWildYears commented 394 days ago.
God forbid anybody would hold me accountable for some of the things I would have said in my 20's. I'm glad to hear you've never changed your mind about anything and that you screened your friends for ideological deviance before you went for coffee.

lix commented 394 days ago.
By his own quote he speaks of picking his friend carefully, of having Marxist interests in college.. something he has continued to do, well beyond his twenties. He may have been in his twenties when he became a member of the chicago black liberation church, but he wasn't twenty when he left- unless you're going to say that he wasn't bright enough in his older age to keep repeating the folly of his youth? I must be misinformed.. someone must have been forcing him to church, to write a book cover for Ayers and then launch his career in his living room, to....

FranksWildYears commented 394 days ago.
Is this the type of horrifying quote that scares the Hell out of America? A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.

lix commented 394 days ago.
The juvenile court system and rescuing hope from despair? You lost me on that one.. at what point do we stop excusing his behavior as juvenile and start holding him accountable as a man? ::scratches head::

FranksWildYears commented 393 days ago.
Somehow the quotation marks didn't get picked up in the comment. The last sentence is the one sentence review he wrote for the book by Ayers. I didn't read into it that he was going to nationalize child care or socialize property ownership.

lix commented 393 days ago.
Well, at least we know he can not only write a lot about himself instead of legislation, but that he's interested in the works of terrorists. Perhaps this is how he hopes to demonstrate to the world that he can better deal with terrorists than his opponents... grass roots experience in foreign relations... sitting with terrorists, listening in church to people blame the Jews, and living with a grandmother who was typically white.

SilverFox commented 393 days ago.
Lix, for someone who seems to pride yourself on being well informed and accuses most liberals of getting politically educated by watching five minutes of TV, you seem to be remarkably uninformed about the very tenuous Obama-Ayers connection, and to have fallen prey quite easily to the GOP hogwash and character assassinations of Obama through Ayers. Obama first met Ayers in 1995 through an education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where Obama served on the board and Ayers did work for the project. Later, each was selected, independently, along with six others, to serve on the board of a philanthropic organization, the Woods Fund of Chicago, devoted to poverty relief and the promotion of social mobility. Each was a member of the board between 1999 and 2002, and Ayers still is. The Woods Fund of Chicago is an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a Republican, and Republicans as well as Democrats are on the board. Apparently the Fund thought highly enough of Ayers to invite him to serve on the board. Obama did not launch his political career in Ayers living room. Ayers was just one of many who sponsored coffees for Obama in 1995 when he declared for the Illinois Senate. The series of coffees were at the behest of then state Sen. Alice Palmer, who wanted Obama to replace her because she was planning to run for another office, and she wanted to introduce him around to politically connected circles. Newspaper investigations confirmed there was no evidence that Obama and Ayers had been "pals" or even close. Obama has publicly denounced Ayers' actions in the '60s, and has said that Ayers is somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8. There, I've done your homework for you, which you should have done for yourself before you spouted off about "terrorist connections." I would have thought that you were more intelligent than to fall for this guilt by association crap. Does the fact that Obama knew Ayers somehow imply to you that Obama shares or sympathizes with the terrorist beliefs Ayers had back in the '60s when Obama was eight?

lix commented 393 days ago.
Part 1: Silverfox, I dont believe Ive ever really prided myself on being well informed and havent actually accused all liberals of needing an education, just the intellectually stunted ones and if that includes your definition of all then Ill cede that point to you. It is clearly Obamas opinion that as a young man he chose his acquaintances carefully to include a certain element of American Society, including those of Marxist, anti-American belief systems. Obamas first response to the issue of Ayers was that barely knew him, served on a board with him, nothing more to it. Yet since this rather bland denunciation it has come to light that not only had he been friendly enough with Ayers to read his book and offer up a review, but that in 2002 they also gave money together- 70K to an Arab organization associated with Khalidi- apparently a know terrorist sympathisizer and from what Ive read a former Palestinian operative. Now it comes out that Obama sat in on a special little going away party for Khalidi in 2003 where Obama gave a speech, and Ayers was there. By his own hand, Obama wrote about siding on the side of Islam. Khalidi was a professor in Chicago. Bill Ayers is a University Professor in Chicago. Ayers had a fundraiser for Obama in his house. Obama was born in 1961, Ayers was active from about 1968 to 1972- so yes, he would have been around eight to 11 years old at the time, but he certainly wasnt that age when they connected years later, and in light of how he himself stated he carefully selected his friendships, I would suggest to you that its not a leap of faith to believe that he well and truly knew Ayers infamy when as an adult he chose to associate with him.

lix commented 393 days ago.
Part 2: In addition to this, there were his dealings with now convicted Rezko and while cultivating his Chicago relationships, he was steered towards Wright and made the free choice as an adult to attend his church, to accept this man in his life to the extent that he was his uncle, a man who preached divisive anti-American, anti-jew sentiment from the pulpit under the guise of Black Liberation Theology which many would argue is prejudicial, racist in the messages that roared in that supposedly sacred, god loving hall of worship. Lets not forget his role as a community organizer/agitator, influenced by Saul Alinsky, and Acorn and just how much money hes funneled their way and all the problems associated with that. Obamas response is always to publically denounce, to always minimize, but at some point you have to evaluate your gullibility. It shouldnt matter how many years ago the terrorist act was committed, the fact remains that Ayers believes have not changed, and Obamas associations as an young man mirror those of his as an adult. There, Ive returned your homework to you with the appropriate corrections. I would have thought you were more intelligent than to become a lemming of the Obamachine.

Victor83 commented 392 days ago.
Lix...you did an A+ job of exposing fox's biased arrogance. It was however nice of him to give you (his skewed version of) Obama's resume. Nice job filling in the blamks. As to frank's comments on Obama's education, I laugh everytime I hear or read this. Bush attended and received degrees from both Yale and harvard...but he is a dunce. Obama got into Harvard on minority scholarship, but he is a genius. Obama made Harvard Law review. I have asked these guys to name one other individual who made Law Review there without publishing even one article. They cannot answer. Again Lix...good job exposing the bias.

SilverFox commented 392 days ago.
Part 1: Lix, in spite of all you wrote, you managed to avoid the central issue, which is the practice of ascribing guilt by association to anyone, including Obama. Even if everything you said was true (which it isn't, as I will discuss in my following comment), the question is "so what?" I asked you the question "Does the fact that Obama knew Ayers somehow imply to you that Obama shares or sympathizes with the terrorist beliefs Ayers had back in the '60s?" You failed to answer the question, and that's the real issue. Same with the other Obama acquaintances you mentioned. If you have 100 friends and 3 of them have radical beliefs, is it fair for me to infer that you share their radical beliefs? What if I asked you if you shared their beliefs and you said no, and I had no evidence to the contrary? Would it be legitimate for me to go around telling everyone that you have radical beliefs? I have relatives and friends who are conservatives. If I spend time with them, is it legitimate to infer that I'm also a conservative? Obviously not, if you're familiar with my political stances from what I've written on RIA. See, that's the problem with this guilt by association stuff. It depends on an unwarranted assumption. Obama, as a politician, probably has thousands of acquaintances and he probably associates fairly frequently with hundreds of them. Does that mean that he shares all of their beliefs? That's an unwarranted, illogical assumption, particularly when he's stated that his beliefs are different and stated what his beliefs are, and there's no evidence to the contrary. Is it fair to continue to keep harping on the bad parts of a few people he knows? If you're honest, you'll admit it's not fair. So why do some conservatives continue to go on and on about it? Because they're deliberately trying to besmirch his character in the hope it will dissuade some voters from voting for him. Guilt by association is a smear tactic, it's dirty politics, it's dishonest, and it shows a lack of moral integrity. But the conservatives who continue to do it obviously feel that "the end justifies the means," i.e., smear tactics are justified if it accomplishes getting McCain elected. Is that the kind of morality you favor? Is it okay with you that people do that? It isn't okay with me, and I despise the lack of honesty, decency, and integrity.

SilverFox commented 392 days ago.
Part 2: In addition to the "so what" in my Part 1 comment: You stated that "Ayers believes [sic] have not changed." What's your evidence for that? My evidence is a published letter Ayers wrote in 2001 to the Chicago Tribune, in which he stated ""I condemn all forms of terrorism individual, group and official." You stated that in 2002 Obama and Ayers "also gave money together- 70K to an Arab organization associated with Khalidi." Your obvious bias compelled you to write that in a deceitful way to suit your own purposes. In truth, the money was given as a grant by the eight-person board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a grant-making philanthropic organization; Obama and Ayers were two of those eight people, and some of the other board members were Republicans. The Fund gave the grant to the Arab American Action Network, of which Rashid Khalidi's wife, Mona, was President. What you failed to disclose is that when John McCain served as chairman of the International Republican Institute, that group distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Rashid Khalidi. One of the grants was for $448,000, made in 1998 to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies. Should I therefore infer that McCain is secretly a Palestinian sympathizer and Jew-hater? Nope, but you do the reverse of that. Regarding the going-away party for Khalidi that Obama attended, you stated "By his own hand, Obama wrote about siding on the side of Islam." What's your evidence for that? My evidence, from an L.A. Times article, is that Obama spoke of the necessity of finding common ground between Israel and Palestine, and that "he believes in an eventual two-state solution in which Jewish and Palestinian nations exist in peace," which happens to be consistent with current U.S. policy. Both Khalidi and Obama have said they hold very different opinions on Israeli issues. So Khalidi and Obama knew and associated with each other. So what? So McCain's group funded Kalidi's group. So what?

lix commented 391 days ago.
Silverfox, in spite of what you may believe, the central issue for me is Obamas character as a man with little who hopes to lead America, would likely lead her in circles without really taking her anywhere by into a spiral. His associations call to question judgment and experience in making appropriate choices/decisions. Ayers comments following 9/11 were no less telling than his physical actions when Obama was a child. Will you one day also tell the world that Osama has reformed, is a respected scholar? Is Ayers less a terrorist because hes American? I believe that he didnt just know Ayers, he didnt just know Wright, he didnt just know Rezko, he didnt just know Khalidi. Obama didnt just write in his book he would choose Islam, Obama didnt just write about how he chose his friends carefully and tended towards Marxists. Obama didnt just say he wanted to spread the wealth. Obama Just doesnt have the experience or the trusting character one should expect of the President. Hes just full of excuses, just like his supporters are so eager to just make all the questions go away, hoping people will just believe him. Youre trying to justify why youre voting for him. Twenty years sitting in a racist congregation suggests that he has racist views. Twenty years of not standing up and denouncing comments against Jews or white people, suggests compliance/ complacency and a weakness of character that suggests hes not ready to sit in the Oval office. Twenty years of associations- drug dealers, drug users, Marxists, Terrorists, those with Anti-American sentiment. I think my comments are Justified. Why do you insist on sticking up for a terrorist(s)? You focus more on making excuses for Obama and his associates than making them accountable.
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