I've seen Joel preach in person. I have watched him working with people in his church, and have a sense that this man is no false anything. He will tell you his self, he's no Biblical Scholar. All of you who say negative things about him, would be better trying to start your own ministry to see if anyone at all would follow you. SO sad that you must say such damaging and unloving things about a man who, regardless of is imperfectsion, I putting the God's name in front of a lot of folks throughout the world. If you would crucify someone so kind as this man, you have crucified before. You are the wicked in the face of a man who's good intentions you would destroy. Are you sure Joel is being used of the Devil - or was it YOU through your very nasty postings. It's ok - cause if God could harden Pharo's heart, He can do the same for those of you He'd like to keep away from a real child of God whom you'd just as soon do harm.