Never got my full comment in. I understand the shoes are designed for trail running and to avoid rocky terrain from poking the hell out of your feet, but these shoes feel like I strapped a 2X4 on each foot. Encountered extreme pain on the outside of my feet. Only fun 6 -8 miles a week, but this was $115 down the drain. Gortex held up well in nasty mud and a few inches of water.