A guy friend just wrote me a hate mail saying that he won't be visiting a friend of mine who just gave birth because we didn't visit his wife and baby when she just gave birth. Guys these days can have even more complex feelings than I do.

How about just "No complex feelings".

Yeah, I don't really like to express my emotional feeling, I'm very private anyway.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Men have the same feelings that women do, some men have problems expressing them because they worry too much how it's gonna look. I am pretty expressive person and say how I feel without hessitation. You either get it or not...

We do have complexed feelings and emotions, it's just we usually keep them to ourselves.

Not true. We have very complex emotions, we just have no clue how to put them into words so we keep quiet.

If you think that is true, then you are sorely mistaken. I'm a guy, and have complex feelings on a regular basis. Thankfully, I'm confident and comfortable enough to express them when the need arises. And, I found it interesting that the stereotype of cheerfulness and optimism is one associated with the feminine instead of the masculine. There should be nothing wrong with being a perky guy!

There are complex feelings, and they do need to be expressed. However, we repress them in hopes of maintaining the facade of our almighty male bravado.

I totally disagree because from what I've seen of most men, even the toughest appearing men have feelings, but they are berried underneath. The only difference between a tough guy who never cries and a man who is more in touch with his emotions is the tough guy is too scared to admit he has those emotions. In actual fact, he is not tough at all, he is a coward in disguise. He is too afraid of looking stupid or of what other people will think of him because he feels that he has to be strong and not have any emotions. I have very complex emotions! The only men who don't have these emotions are the real hard, criminal, wrestle men type who I think their souls are dead anyway. No emotion, no life. But I must admit, there is a natural thing with men where there are times where they just feel as if nothing bothers them and feel apathetic. Ie they can suppress their emotions far better then women can. For a start, since men were meant to be the protectors, that is in no way meant to deny the existence of their emotions, I think God put that apathetic ability in men so they could get on with life or fight the enemies or kill the food. If both the husband and wife were just emotional in a stressful situation, then nothing would get done. Someone has to take charge, that's why God made it so that men were meant to be the head of the family. That apathy can also allow men to remain calm in tense situations. Just because they are better at suppressing their emotions then women, it doesn't mean they don't have them.

Not true, and this works both ways ladies..... if we men don't understand your complex feelings then you know how it feels when we get no sympathy when we can't get the car running just right, or why a drawer full of used, dull, and broken drill bits is vital to our survival, or if the color isn't perfect on the TV, or why we don't want to decorate the yard with the imitation concrete statue of the lady squirting water out her armpit...... it works both ways, ladies.....it works both ways...........

Hey kamylienne, this thing your male friends do, getting all complex when there's no other men around? It's called hitting on you. LOL. Actually, as a pretty complicated man, its not that I don't have complex feelings, its just that I don't usually need to express them.

now this is just a stereotype...

Nothing like a stiff upper lip and some good old fashioned emotional repression to augment your manliness!

I have depression so almost every day is crap for me. I just don't need twelve different words to describe how angry I am.

Yeah, right . . . you ought to hear my (male) friends call me or hang out with me one-on-one, and they're just as complicated as any female I know. But, if we're hanging out with another male, then all of that goes away. I think guys only get sentimental and complex when there's no other guys around.

Now that's a guy thing. No lets not talk, lets just stuff those feelings and frustrations down, down and down.