A little better than nazism but it's really just extreme dictatorship, possibly gone bad

Those on the far-right teach their own children that condoms cause cancer - so teaching each other and spreading a doctrine of anti-liberalism and NOT calling it fascism seems to fit their pattern.

Nonetheless: Anti-Liberalism IS an integral part of the definition - it's also one of the most consistantly ACCURATE defining aspects of fascism, across different regimes, thru various times and across multiple national borders.

*Can you believe it? I'm actually going to add a link to a CHRISTIAN WEBSITE ?! ~=> Here It Is! *

The portion below was also cross-posted to the 'Naziism' review - in part, to dispell the myth of their ideological differentiation.

The 2ND ENTRY DOWN on the list of DEFINITIONS FOUND HERE - "The name comes from the Latin fasces a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, which was the symbol of authority in ancient Rome. The term was applied by Mussolini to his movement after his rise to power in 1922. The Fascists were viciously anti-Communist and anti- liberal and, once in power, relied on an authoritarian state apparatus. They also used emotive slogans and old prejudices (for example, against the Jews) to bolster the leader's strongman appeal. ..."

Only good if they put me in charge. :)

Hold on, hold on, hold on, pandering hagiographers aside, although there is still no generally accepted definition of what fascism actually is/was almost every single one of them (including the one at the head of this category) include elements of totalitarianism or dictatorship. The notion that America was fascist regardless of whether its objectivist, revisionist, satirical or wistful is a stretch.

What is interesting about Fascism is that we had it in the good old USA during the New Deal. FDR greatly admired Mussolini and what he had done for the Italian economy.

The alphabet agencies, AAA, NRA, WPA, etc. are direct copies of fascist concepts. Mussolini had been in power for about ten years when FDR and Hitler came to power in the same year, 1933. Both copied Mussolini. With Hitler's rise, he eclipsed Mussolini and Hitler's anti-Jewish activity caused a revulsion against fascism. It gradually fell out of favor in the New Deal.

The pandering hagiographers posing as objective historians have covered this up for years and lied to the American People. Fortunately for the truth, they are passing from the scene. The new generation of objective historians are ripping off the armor of lies and letting in the sunlight of truth. (See Thomas Fleming, for instance.)

There are two fascisms; the first being the imaginary and the second, and lesser known one, being true fascism. Hitler and Mussolini may have been the architects credited with creating the ideology but they are not the creators but instead they are part discoverers.

One of the best ways that you can rally people together to oppose another group is to find a characteristic they share and emphasize it. Look at propaganda in the past: enemies were always grouped by a similar characteristic such as their appearance. The use of fascism as a descriptor for anyone that disagrees with a select group of people is a good, though sophistic, way of them to avoid any form of discourse where they could loose (Bush is a what?, Kerry is a what?).

The other kind of fascism is the true fascism. like American Fascist Party supports or supports to a greater degree than the erroneous, and untrue, first kind. Like i said earlier, many for the so-called fascists created nothing but their deviation from fascism. Here is my definition of fascism (not the “right left” BS): fascism is a form of positive liberty. Positive liberty, being the kind of liberty that questions human judgment (otherwise it would be negative liberty) is then divided into two separate groups: one group that includes communism and socialism is the group that believes that humans lack the ability to make good choices about anything and therefore must be “liberated” from all “bad things” (envy, anger, bad health, and hurt feeling to name a few). The group also goes against many religions because they essentially believe that humans are, to a great degree, nothing more than animals that are not in any way special. The other kind of positive liberty is the kind that believes that humans have conscienceness but that many of the things that humans do go against other humans and eliminate their ability to live or have a life that is better than that of a stereotypical nineteenth century factory workers. This quadrant of the political universe is comprised of more than just fascism (libertarian socialism/communism, neoconservatism, ect). Fascism is different than other ideologies in this area because of its view on how the world should work. it doesn't have the faith in the masses which is its reason for not supporting democracy or at least the kind we think of. it instead feels that doing so would allow one group to destroy the other, or that it would allow greed to have too much power (see: our current government). Fascism also supports an alternative to the capitalism and socialism called corporatism (the word comes from the Latin word for body). Corporatism is a system that has the government be controlled by the owner of the means of production, the workers and the leaders of the government (in essence, the executive branch). Each one keeps the others in check (this is not a complete definition so don't shape your views on it).

I am not a fascist but i feel that the ignorance is destructive (look at the word “ignore” in “ignorance” and you can see the destruction of true thought). We tend to follow the “group” and that is the destroyer of conscience and the single avoidable act that can destroy the greatest powers. Who'd you vote for, who every one else did: republicrat or democan? If you don't think for yourself and consider all ideologies then you are no better than a pig about to round up for the slaughter (does the phrase “bread and circuses ring a bell?).

Just about where Bush and his group falls politically.

What is democratic about one guy stamping his boot heel across the throat of a nation, choking the life out of it with oppressive ideology backed up by the armies and police of the state? Good riddance to this flawed setup, wherever it gets tossed out.

A system that I believe would accidentally end up being the most deomcratic since the leader would be forced the keep teh people happy, lest he face a bloody coup.

For all the people who admire fascism, get a grip. If you were living in a fascist society you wouldn't have the internet to express any dissent for ANYTHING. Go live in country under fascist rule, and then tell me how it's been misunderstood. Of all the things to argue the good of, fascism is not one of them. IL DUCE!

A notch below communism - it doesn't even pretend to have a human face.

21st Century American Capitalism

there's nothing wrong with Fascism per se.. just that it tends to attract crazy meglomaniacs to lead countries..

Another severely underrated ideology! ~ Those comparing the United States to a Fascist state owe apologies to the memories of Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany.

ANSGARD, you are an idiot

fascism is italian and I respect what Mussolini did. its a great ideology if you study more about it

Fascism is a more widespread form of Nazism, being economically restrictive, corrupt, dictatorial, racist and often countries that rule under it have a poor human rights record. No country or people under fascism has ever prospered in the long-term because the leader/s pursue their own selfish 'ethnic cleansing' pursuits rather than valuing their own people, which has lead to violent revolutions (e.g, Cuba and WWII Italy)

Let's just put it this way: You like the way the US is now, you like fascism. Control of the masses (does the Patriot Act ring a bell? No need for a warrent nowadays, FBI can just bust into your house and go through your personal files.) and propaganda (think mainstream media and the huge corporations that own them) are prominent in the USA these days. As for isms, how about colonialism and globalism? Those have been tried out for many centuries.

All ideologies may be deemed flawed, evil, and unfair when it is broken into its purest form. Facism has been tainted with Nazism, as Liberals have been tainted with Communism. Facism developed Germany exponentially into a superpower, in a very short time.

Many people seem to think that Fascism and Nasism are synonymous - this is completely wrong. True, Nazism is based on Fascism, but Fascism does not advocate genocide as does Nazism, or at least as did many Nazis. In theory Fascism advocates firm and centralized government. The ideology isn't nearly as bad as many would make us think - in fact, on the national level it is extremely good. It was the Fascist tennants of Nazism that made Germany so strong after being so, so very weak. Fascism made Italy strong also. Unfortunately Mussolini allowed himself to become associated with 'the wrong crowd'. As Silvio Berlusconi said Mussolini was not so bad. However, he was still a dictator whatever way you look at him and he got in with a particularly bad crowd (it should be noted though that the Allies joined up with Stalin who is responsible for many times the number of deaths that Hitler was - as such one could say they got in with a worse crowd than did Mussolini). In terms of what is best for a nation - Fascism is best. However if you are looking for what is best for the people then Fascism is certainly not the system for you. Democracy allows nations to be strong (perhaps, though, not as much as Fascism), but is not oppressive like Fascism. Fascism is immensely superior to Communism and its very essence means that Fascist nations will become very strong, but it simply cannot compare to democracy.

If I wanted someone else to completely run my life and kill me for making one mistake, Maybe.

Why do you all always refer to those scums Hitler and Stalin and Mao ???? What if Jesus Christ or God or Allah whoever, would be your dictator. Or Mr. I am the most peaceful create in the universe. Well people liek that do not exist so fascism will never work but the idea is 1 billion times better than capitalism. Too bad we humans are such big garbage.

As much as I don't like fascism, it seems as though I might as well get used to it since its been the dominant doctine of the 20th century. If you don't believe me, I ask you to spend some time to follow the money trail and the people involved in policy making for the last 70 - 100 years. Fascism isn't about traditional leftist or rightist ideologies as its main concern is control of the masses, censorship, the bottom line, obscuritism, and opportunity. Actually many people thought it was such a efficient way of doing things they adopted into the economic policy we have today. It's not the opposite of democracy per se just the other side of the coin in which the fasces symbol was even placed on our dimes for some years. Its funny(sad really) that there is such a state of amnesia that people are now more comfortable with prepackaged ideologies rather than dealing with facts(which are also contigent I admit) American fascism won over many peoples of the world through seduction of the senses and not by brute force. Here in california its called fireside or 'friendly' fascism where the 'we have an open mind as long as you think like we do' liberals run this one party state and always shift the burden of their mistakes onto the unaware public. Don't get me wrong I enjoy classic liberalism but if you haven't figured it out yet that capitalism was given to the poor and middle class while socialism is for the rich than the jokes on you. You will get fooled every time with the 'I'm doing this for you routine' while being robbed blind during every trade cycle. Do you really think most people care about silly ideologies when theres tons of money to be made on explotation and proven effective brainwashing tactics. In school here in california I was even shown movies about how everbody is equal, just some are more equal than others. So don't forget kiddies to wear your plastic smiley face when you lie and twist that knife deeper into the sheepdogs of society as you invite the wolf right into your neighborhoods, homes and businesses.

Fascism is the name given to 'ULTRA-NATIONALISM' by an Italian poet and then Musulini (copied from Napolian Bonipart). It is wrongly defined by most english sorces which use mostly false left-wing colloqualisms. Omit racism, "racism distroys nations" wrote mussulini (Encleplapedia Italiana), but of course english translations edit this out. The Italian fascist party (lead by Finni) is presently the most anti racist party in Italy. I don't agree with the system, but if you talk to people who lived through it you will see we are being lied to. Claimed to have 27 philosophical ideals found in Francos Manifesto of Forty principles (try finding this on the net). From right wing sorces (since the left and center made mostly false accusations) I have pieced together that its philosophy includes: massive millitry buildup, massive increase in police, autarchic (protectionist) ecconomics with merchantilism, pyramid-elitism (eg. youth groups of which the smartest are promoted up leadership ranks eventially into a position with the public servic, the smartest are taken in government when one dies or retiers then to leader), being alert and prepared incase opportunities or dangers arise (vigilance), regeneration through energy and strugle (vitalism), strong united small goverment / minnimum number of polititions (oligarchy), blind patiotism, no immigration, pentions, incentives, a collective dictatorship which rejects most centre and socialist views, corporatism, indupendent nation with more production, organisation and efficiency, national intrest are more important than international considerartions, consolidation of power (combining and unifying goverment bodies), against pascifist groups, hired militia groups, appointed municiple officers, strenght in unity, authority of the state and oppression of nearly all oposition (some of these are also used by Marxists). Marxism is twice as bad. NB. Before & during WWII the hardline dictatorial racist Baltic states (40% socialist ideals) as well as the extreme-right NAZI's were not regarded as fascist by other fascist nations because they had to many socialist ideals. Could anyone please give me the definition of Pr. K. M. Smogorzewski.

You know, it really doesn’t matter what Fascism or Communism or any other “ism” is supposed to be in theory. What counts is how it plays out in real life. The fact is both of the above not only do not work but also have created huge catastrophes when they were actually tried. And, as Ruby pointed out so well, just because a group may be called one thing does not mean the actual ideals have not been twisted or changed beyond recognition due to the perversity of the human factor involved. To idealize something that just has no track record in reality is like reading an interesting and logical sounding work of fiction and expecting to live out the events in your own life. It’s just kind of nutty and unrealistic.

the likes of Hitler and Stalin, the worst of all. All literature, other propoganda in opposition is immediately terminated. To repeat TheFreak, the people that are to the farthest, ultra right-wing are referred to by more moderate people as well as liberals as Fascist. Fascism is the ideology of the far, far right. In response to Ruby, I feel that smoking should be banned in all public areas not to suppress peoples' rights, but it is so blantantly proven a health hazard. How can you be so blind to not know that passive smoking is as bad if not worse than actually smoking? Smoking is the number one killer in the world. That is concrete, undeniable evidence. If you make the choice to smoke, that's fine, but don't damage the respiratory system of other innocent individuals as well by smoking in public.

Hey Ruby, I hate to burst your bubble, but fascism is a right-wing ideology. Fascism sounds like a living hell when people start warring whenever the tiniest little break in rhythm doesn't satisfy them! Centralized government is the first step on the downward spiral staircase into abysmal. And all of you people who gave pacifism one star better have given fascism one star, because if you didn't, there is something seriously wrong here! Does "suppression of all and any opposition" mean "kill anything in sight that looks suspicious, for example, a government official walking next to a common person"? I believe it does. And now for my latest Lyric of the Day: The one thing we're all waiting for is peace on earth, an end to war. It's a miracle we need, the miracle. Peace on earth, an end to war: that time will come, one day you'll see, when we can all be friends...

Silly dictators. Government is for the people.

As bad as communism and stalinism.

I still get amazed of how different I & Ruy think & argue different subjects. Although we this time have the same conclusion, I can't for anything in the world agree in what she is writing. I think it's so damn unfair to compair Clinton & Blair with the worst man ever lived, Hitler! Actually I like these two guys, especially lair, although I think they should have been more radical, global & federal. Especially it's sad to see how little Blair interest in the European Union, although he's more moderate than the British conservatives. Back to fascism: There's no doubt ruling most of Southern European in parts of last century, is something of the most brainless, evil & unintelligent man has created of political ideas. I can't see anything positive with this dictative way of ruling a nation. This is the oppsite of democracy, as well as federalism, globalism, social democracy, socialism, liberalism & probably also libertarianism (which I don't know too much about - though it's almost unexisting in Europe). This ideology stinks! :-(

Jonah Goldberg recently ran a great piece on National Review Online (perhaps called "Who's the Real Fascist") where he commented how many people on the Left can't come up with a coherent answer to the question, "Besides the genocide, was there anything in Hitler's program that you didn't like?" After all, the "Third Way" economics that Clinton and Blair claim to have invented are largely what Mussolini and Hitler used -- regulate industry without explicitly declaring war on it. Moreover, a lot of the social controls that we see today (banning smoking everywhere, the clamor to register all firearms) were also part of Hitler's program. Obviously, Hitler's sociopathic anti-semitism was the crux of his evil, and I don't accuse American Lefties of being "evil" but it should give them pause to think of how far they are willing to travel down the path of statism that man paved.