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Homosexuals Choose to be Gay - Special Rights Should Not Be Granted to Those Just Because of the Way They Choose to Behave

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Gris
05/13/2009

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Do we have to open this debate again? How many times is this thing on RIA?
Anyway, NO!
Science has PROVEN in the Last few years that Homosexuality is NOT a Choice.

Even if it was a choice though (which it is not) what difference does that make? Civil Rights are for ALL Americans. Not just those who agree with you.

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minkey
05/13/2009

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I've known later in life that a few guys I grew up with were gay. When you're a kid you don't think much of it but as I look back on it i can place their interest in guys. One gay co-worker I had in college gave me an explanation I've remembered. "why would I have chosen to be this way? My parents don't like it, it's not freely accepted by anyone, I can't get married or have kids of my own."

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rxmc89
03/26/2009

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That is ingnorant and narrow-minded thinking.

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fitman
07/27/2008

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1) Equal rights aren't 'special'.

2) Only bisexuals can 'choose' whether or not to 'be gay'. Homosexuals can choose to 'be gay' or choose to be celibate. Heterosexuals can choose to be ungay or celibate.

 

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HelloKitty09
07/26/2008

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To those people who say that There are nothing biological about gay! The Germans failed to turned the Brokeback penguins straight. So no, I don't think homosexuals choose to be gay.  Why would they choose a lifestyle where they're harassed by the likes of Pat Robertson.  

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MariusQelDroma
04/17/2008

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Straight couples choose to get married for many of the same reasons and motivations beyond their simple choice of sexual orientation, so this arguement does not hold water.

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lmorovan
04/17/2008

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The constitution has been and continues to be good enough regarding the civil and human rights of all Americans. No new special laws are required, especially not with the purpose of accommodating an insignificant minority against the will and desire of the overwhelming majority.

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squeek123
08/31/2007

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i know peopel who are gay and i think just cuz they are does not mean they are any difrent from me and u we are all the same we were born all the same so i think they should be treated like normal people not animals they should be able to get married with out being discriminated or have people tell them that they choose to be like that i know they did not becuz they have always had a atraction to the same sex as them who gives a crap i hate when people are like gays are stupid they chose to be like that no they did not they were born like that and this is coming from a 12 year old girl anyone have problems with this your just rude.i already have to deal with my bf not likein gay people and thats hard enough i just wantus all to get along and stop being mean to gay or bi people they are all the same the have goals and jobs and a family just like us. they should be givin the same right as us.just think if u were gay do u think it would be fair if u were in love and u could not get married think about that one for a bit.

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straight827
05/15/2007

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ok remastered, you need to pull the stick out of your bumm. people CHOOSE to be gay. they get urges for the same sex because they CHOOSE to do so. your pigheaded asumption of them not being able to choose their sexuality is ridiculous and completely absurd.

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remastered334
04/19/2007

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DynaSword, you are clearly dillusional, first of all, there is no god. God didnt make man... or women for that matter... man created god.
Second of all, when did you decide to be straight? You didnt, it just happend, its called urges. Its the same with gays, it isnt a choice, its just the way you are. I know gay people who would give anything just to be straight, just to be normal, like everyone else, to make their parents proud by having a large, healthy family, but they cant, because thats not the people they are. You need to pull the stick out of your ass and see the real truth, instead of being blinded by the plague that is religion.

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LastMessenger3
03/01/2007

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This is rediculous! You can choose to have a tatoo, or body piercing, or wild hair color. How can anyone choose their sexual orientation, especially when other people react so strongly toward it?

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ma duron
03/01/2007

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The orientation may be genetic or it might be conditioned, but there is choice involved only in the practice. Heterosexuals who practice celibacy will also choose to follow their own way.

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Randyman
03/01/2007

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I don't want to get all caught up in the gay issue, since it's not something I really concern myself with one way or another, but I do want to comment on something. When I was a kid I raised pigeons; racers and showbirds, I had two male English Trumpeters that were Gay. Yes, they were gay, only I don't think we used that word back then, we just called the birds queers (can I still say that?). They just loved each other, set up house and had constant sex. My dad couldn't believe it. I could have sold tickets to see these birds, I would be rich today. I had breeders stop by and shake their heads in disbelief. I had to put glass eggs in their nest so they would feel complete. How they got that way is beyond me. They certainly didn't learn it from my other birds. I have no way of knowing if they had a choice in the matter or if it was genetic or what. I seperated them for a year and they were miserable. I put them with females and that didn't work. I finally just let them be and stopped trying to change them. They loved each other to the end. I've heard people say that homosexuality doesn't exist in the Animal kingdom, well, I'm here to tell you it does. This is a true story. Take from it what you will.

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Jed1000
03/01/2007

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Yeah, homosexuals choose to be gay. Just like I "chose" to be born with pumpkin-colored hair. Not likely.

If you believe that homosexuals choose to be gay then you have to believe that they choose to have people call for their deaths.

You have to believe that they choose to have politicians enact legislation against them.

You have to believe that they choose to have families give their children false information about them. Information that each child will pass down generationally to their own families. Information designed to make their existence intolerable.

You have to believe that they choose to feel suicidal.. or submit to danger in hopes of being murdered.. or submit to silence and invisibility.

You have to believe that they choose to be feared.

You have to believe that they choose to be silenced with strangling, fists, prison, suffocation, rape, intimidation, drugging, ropes, guns, laws, menace, roving gangs, bottles, knives, religion, decapitation, and immolation by fire.

You have to believe that they choose to be pronounced "curable" by doctors.. as if their brains were a virus.

You have to believe that they choose to lose their constitutional rights against the government's invasion of their privacy.

You have to believe that they choose to be faced with electro-shock, drugs, and conditioning therapies.

You have to believe that they choose to be subject to loss of home, civil rights, jobs, and all conceivable freedoms.

If you choose to believe that anyone would opt for all of that then I guess it's easy enough for you to believe that someone would "choose" to be gay.

But you'd be wrong.

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GenghisTheHun
03/01/2007

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Whether it is pathological or behaviorism is at the least immaterial and at most irrelevant. In other words for those who don't understand these legal terms, so what?

The acts are still perversions of the natural law and natural order of things. Tolerance is one thing. Approval or dominance is quite another item altogether.

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pugwash01
03/01/2007

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I have to agree with Donovan with this one. You are given the choice to follow God or not too. Being Gay is a choice, just as murder is a choice, just as Adultery is a choice, just as choosing not to agree with Christianity, just as choosing to write a comment on RIA. So many people want an excuse for this or that, So many people want to walk away from a God that has given everything to man. It saddens me that we always find a way to excuse sin, just look in the courtrooms today!!! As for rights for gays, God gives them free will! This country is based on rights for its people, why should Gay's be any different. Know that although I state what I state in my last sentence, that does not in anyway mean I agree with Homosexuality.

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Donovan
03/01/2007

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I believe it is a choice that has many underlying influences. I also believe that we are all born into sin and as the Word says this is a sin. But the difference is I know of no sin that that controls your lifestyle at birth.  Why would God subject his people to a sin at birth beyond their ability to choose what he felt was an abomination?

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kittyrave
01/28/2007

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Alright then 1) Marriage is not a "special right", it is an equal right 2) "Well, I'm terribly sorry you broke your leg, but you chose to play football. Maybe you can hop to work?" 3) I think I'll be gay today <3 **gay is not a disability, just so you know ;)

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VirileVagabond
12/16/2006

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It will apparently come as a surprise to most of the prior reviewers, but the old nature/nurture argument related to homosexuality is a red herring. While the answer to this question may have some marginal effect on the overall argument (namely if nature, equity suggests a slightly stronger burden to overcome by gay rights opponents), the answer (by itself) is simply not determinative to resolve the issues. First, being homosexual in and of itself is not a crime in the developed world as far as I'm aware, so what we are analyzing is homosexual behavior and legalizing marriages that would encourage or at least facilitate same. Behavior is an entirely different matter than identity. Perhaps pedophiles are born that way, yet we don't legalize pedophilia. Something more is needed to differentiate this from adult homosexual behavior (e.g. legal capacity, effect on society as a whole, etc). Ultimately, we may not choose our identity but we must still account for our actions, and even if we can't control our actions we are still subject to restraint (e.g. incarceration or being institutionalized) if those actions are deemed criminal. On the flip side, even if homosexuality is chosen, this is similarly irrelevant since other choices are either tolerated or even encouraged by the law based on public policy grounds. The bottom line is that, while the nature/nurture debate regarding homosexuality may be interesting for a variety of reasons, it is irrelevant for the reasons detailed herein. I only rate this as two stars since, if nature, equitable and libertarian principles would suggest that the preferences resulting from genetics should be respected absent relatively strong contrary public policy concerns (i.e. the opponents would have the burden of proof).

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luridlloyd
11/28/2006

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I remember when I was young and attracted to a girl. When I'd talk to them, my face felt like it was blazing red, sweating, & I felt like everything I said was stupid. That kind of nervousness & fear was not by choice. Pubescent awkwardness can't be faked. The boys, who we latter found out were gay, suffered none of these. This just can't be chosen. It is part of who we are.

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BirdEgal202
08/31/2006

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Kissme, you cannot compare homosexuality to killing, lying, stealing or cheating. You just can't. The former harms people, the latter does not. End of story. Moving on, scientists studying genetics believe that homosexuality may be caused by a genetic defect. Even so, it is no longer considered a mental disorder. For the love of all that is holy, where have you been since 1973?

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cablejockey
06/19/2006

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I would hardly call it a choice for someone to put themselves into the line of fire that's waiting for them. Considering that all thru human history a certain per centage of the population has been gay, this is hardly a new phenomenon.

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kissmeback
06/19/2006

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so if i choose to lie, cheat, steal and kill. i should be given special right too because i choose to do these things.
when we loose sight of what is right and give others what they want we end up being the one in the poor house.the law of the land is streight forward.why should we change it to suite a few waywood flock.no,no,no.

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FranksWildYear s
06/07/2006

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The right to have a fully recognized marriage is not a demand for special rights, its a demand for equal rights.

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Vudija
06/07/2006

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Psychologists have said there are generally two factors that lead to anything. One of those is biological, it's something one is born with and cannot change. The second is the environment in which a person is raised. As far as homosexuals go, it is generally believed to be a biological factor for which they cannot change. In some cases, child abuse by members of the opposite sex leads people to not find connections as they grow older so they feel "safer/more comfortable" with members of their own sex.

Either way though, I don't see it as being ANYONE'S business. Your morals are not always the same as the morals of your neighbor or even your sister. It is not fair 1) to discriminate against them for loving someone and wanting to spend their lives with that person and 2)to force an entire nation to discriminate against homosexual marriage just because you do.

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numbah16tdhaha
05/31/2006

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I saw something about reactions to phermones in gay people that would suggest otherwise. In the study they reacted like straight people of the opposite sex do to phermones of their own sex. Makes you think a bit...

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doobiesNhof
05/27/2006

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Total bunk.

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djstarz
05/27/2006

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It is not a choice anymore than who you are attracted to is YOUR choice.

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traderboy
01/10/2006

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Well-stated, Daccory; as per usual, your comments highlight an in-depth candor and level-headedness that demands a premium nowadays. "Faith"-based discrimination is the most insidious example of civilized squalor, based solely upon the misguided doctrine and scrawled tradition of tribes long since relegated to antiquity. Theism's current "Big Two" call for the deaths of "the unseemly": one employs a cold-blooded swiftness in such matters; the other tirelessly works the backrooms with the intent of keeping its "enemies" off-balance and on the defensive (I'll leave it to the reader to decide which does the what, when, and why). I've always found the Bible's standpoint towards homosexuals exquisitely schizophrenic, with the admonitions contained within the Old Law being replaced by a "New Covenant" (whenever Yahweh's inscrutible plans don't pan out, his copywriters come up with some other infallible treatise) that reads much like what it's supposed to be substituting for ("the Old Law is gone.....except for this, this, and this....."). Apologists cringe when told that two (2) of the faith's bigger role models might've been "closet cases" (David's confession in 2nd Samuel 1:26, where he felt "distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women"; and Paul's gender-blind "holy kisses" in Romans 16:20, 2nd Corinthians 13:12, 1st Thessalonians 5:26, and 1st Peter 5:14); even the conspicuously-unwed Jesus criss-crossed the landscape with twelve guys in tow. Irrespective of when the cerebral hardwiring gets diagrammed, the old "nature/nurture" arguments will hasten without letup.

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Daccory
01/10/2006

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Let's remember that the religious, indoctrinated, hateful individuals who find homosexuality abhorrent CHOOSE to follow their particular faith that tells them so. If they believe homosexuality is also 'chosen' and is to be ignored and condemned, it follows then that the rest of us should return them the favour. Personally, I find it unbelievably foolish to follow a God who, in their eyes, has created us as a botched, sinful entity right from the beginning. That makes a God who isn't very clever, if you ask me. I suggest finding a faith that celebrates life, love and all the amazing wonderful choices open to us.

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Drummond
12/30/2005

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Homosexuality is not choice behavior based, and therefor laws protecting gay rights are not choice behavior based laws. Laws protecting freedom of religion - THOSE are choice behavior laws.

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Gentle Jude
11/09/2005

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I think the wording of this question is a bit odd. For a start, the American government is not going to change a law based on how people choose to behave. Even if gays chose to live the way they do, that is not the basis that America is thinking of changing its laws. America want's to change its laws because they believe that the Bible and God is just an 'old fashioned religion' and they want to adapt the laws based on what society thinks. Plus they also believe it is unfair to discriminate because of the fact that it is becoming so acceptable by societies standards plus there is a strong belief that they can't help it, they were born like that. Ie the American government are thinking of changing the laws to be fair, just how they so rightly changed the laws to allow women equal status. BUT in this case, it is not a matter of being fair or unfair, it really is a matter of morality now. It is simply not natural or moral and God forbids it, to be a gay. Neither is it moral to be a drug seller or a psychopath. But that is not my main point here. My main point is to answer the question 'whether a gay is born like that?' I believe that some are because of genetic malfunctions because someone made a good point that no one in their right mind would choose to be something that could get them ostracised. Plus the way gays feel, they really don't feel attracted to the opposite gender so there must be something biological there. BUT I also don't feel that is the case all the time and I still feel it is no excuse for immorality. Because eg crime. I believe that some people are criminals because of their environment and their upbringing. But some people were actually born like that. This is even Biblically true because the first case of this ever happening was with Adam and Eve's children. Adam and Even were wonderful parents, the normal child Abel grew up to be really righteous, but the other child with the exact same upbringing Cain, grew up to be a murderer and naturally jealous. What about Jezebel. She grew up to be a person almost as evil and violent as Satan. She was born like that. Now God did not excuse Cain's murder or Jezebels Satanic evilness just because they were born like that. God is just and will punish everyone just the same ie there is no favouritism. My point is even if it being gay is biological, it doesn't make it OK or any more acceptable. Because psychopaths are born like that too, but we don't excuse that. BUT at the same time, this raises a very interesting question that I would like to address for the glory of God: 'Isn't it unfair for God to punish a gay person if they were born like that, it's not their fault?' Well I believe that God is very fair and I also know from His actions in peoples lives Ive witnessed including my own, and also by the Bible that God is the most understanding Person in existence. He has far more compassion then we do, especially knowing the fate of sinners who never give their lives to Jesus. So He would know that argument 100 times better then we do and feel sorry for them. God is more then willing to help a gay person who wants to repent, but was born like that. I believe that He really wants to help them because just read Matthew 8:1-4. There was a man with leprosy and the Jewish law said that such people (because of their contagious disease) had to be isolated and moved to another town. But that diseased man knelt before Jesus and asked, Lord, if you are willing, make me clean? Now Jesus didnt quote the law at him or call him a wicked sinner, but said I am willing, be clean and healed him. That is a touching example of Gods nature and love. That story also symbolises a sinful person, not necessarily a physical healing, although it was physical in nature, it had symbolism in it. Anyway if any gay person really wanted to repent and knelt before Jesus and said, I repent of this, I was born gay, if you are willing, can you please make me clean? Then Jesus would say to that person, I am willing, be clean! Even if it wasnt an instantaneous conversion to being straight, the Holy Spirit would be more then willing to work with that person to overcome their homosexual desires. But do you want to know why God doesnt, it is because gays are so darn arrogant and basically spit in Gods face. They dont ask for healing or forgiveness, they just say You are unjust for not excusing our way of life. Although You are omniscient and the creator of all goodness, we know more then You, and You are wrong. And refuse to repent. I dont think God will waste His time on anyone like that. Instead of just admitting it is wrong, they just find new ways to justify it. Gods arms are always open, it is up to them to repent and ask for help.

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butyubchubstub
11/08/2005

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Yes, of course they do. The gay agenda has tried, time and time again, to prove there is a 'gay gene'. Such attempts have turned out barren. Firstly, it is obviously not 'natural' to be born gay. Take animals for example; whens the last time you say a male zebra mate with another male zebra? You didn't, because it isn't natural. If it isn't natural in ANY other animal on this planet, who's to say we're special and have that gene within us? Another point being, if we give the gay's the right for marriage, we can stop NO other from marrying as they choose. For, they could use the EXACT same arguments the gays are using. The gays aren't pushing for equal but extra rights; if they're granted this, we cannot stop a one man from marrying himself, or even as far fetched as a man to marry his donkey. For, if we stop this, we wouldn't be showing 'equal' rights.

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percivale
11/03/2005

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This opinion is not scientifically based. Literally EVERY major credible association of professionals in the relevant fields (medicine, psychology, psychiatry, sociology) agrees that human sexuality is biologically based, and is fixed and unchangeable. Until the opposition can present a source with the equivalent credibility of the American Medical Associaion, American Psychological Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American School Health Association, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, and the Council on Child and Adolescent Health (just to name a few), then this argument can be dismissed as being both uniformed, and more than likely based from a biased point of view. But, even IF we were to accept that people can "choose their sexuality," (and I do not) that would not effect the arguments regarding same-sex marriage. Marriage is already a choice, and the choice of one's partner is already a voluntary mutual decision of the two individuals who decide to get married. The simple fact is that as free citizens in a free country, we don't have to justify our life choices to any other citizen. percivale

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recolection
10/29/2005

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Is the right to marry a special right? How logical-- Heterosexuals choose to be heterosexual-- they shouldn't have special rights either, eh? And on the choice thing-- if blacks choose to read, or women choose to not have kids, or if people decide that they want a part in government... those were also illegal at times. The right to choose things about our lives is an important part of our culture and our humanity.

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sfalconer
10/22/2005

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I am sorry but I just can not see this as being a consious choice. I see it as part of a persons genetic make up, I can't see some one thinking this out and saying, you know what I am gay and I reject the hetrosexual life style. Is it a defect or just a difference, thats not my call but I do believe it is not a normal change in the genetic make up. That said I still don't believe gay should have extra rights but I don't believe they they should be persecuted.

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ProgrammerRing o
10/22/2005

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For all the straight people who claim that homosexuals "chose" to be gay, let me ask you: when did YOU choose to be straight? I know I never woke up one morning and said, "Well gee... I think I'll be straight for the rest of my life."

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jadeddiva
10/19/2005

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UPDATED AGAIN: Perversions of the natural law? This country is based on unnatural things, some of which prolong human life. Just because something is unnatural does not make it wrong. Surgery is unnatural, whether it be necessary or plastic. Eye glasses are unnatural. Heck, some of the food we eat here in the US is unnatural, filled with preservatives and artificial colors. The other thing I would like to point out is that homosexuality is not a behavior; it's a preference. Not all homosexuals act the same, so to catagorize it as a behavior is fallacy. **Once again, I need to state the obvious: Gay people do NOT choose to be gay! Do heterosexual people choose to be heterosexual? But even if gay people DO choose to be gay; it's their right to choose and their right to equal protection under the law. None of these arguments even come close to being a valid argument. It's so frustrating! **Not sure what profession you have, but I hope it's not psychology. Think of all those people who have a child that takes the first taste of something he/she does not like. That was not learned. What we like and don't like could be altered over the course of time, but only on the surface. Sexual preference is not learned...it is discovered and accepted, but only if it's in the social norm. If, God forbid, something is outside the society norm, it must be worng (insert sarcasm here). So these people are forced to HIDE their likes and dislikes. Homosexuality, that is, who you are or are not attracted to, is NOT a learned behavior. There is a big difference between behavior and preference. The thing with the veggies proves my point. It's personal preference, and personal preference is not learned... it is discovered. **Ahh, PBeavr, my old posting friend. Who you are attracted to is NOT a learned behavior. I understand what you're saying about how people are raised and associative learning...but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with our likes and dislikes. My point is that this argument that we are rating says that Homosexuals CHOOSE to be that way and therefore should not be given special rights for the way they behave. I agree...they should not be given SPECIAL RIGHTS...they should be given EQUAL RIGHTS: the right to marry the person that they love. When you love someone, it's intrinsic; it's not learned. Breathing is not a learned behavior and neither is homosexuality. **GoneAway, there are people in this country who do not believe that the Bible is the word of God...in fact, there are a good many people who do not believe in God. I happen to be one of them. While I respect your CHOICE to worship God, I ask that you respect MY CHOICE not to worship God. Two consenting adults should be allowed to pledge their lives to one another. And to all those people who say that gay people CHOSE to be gay, when did all of you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? **Whether gays choose to be gay or are born that way is irrelevant. This country is supposed to give everyone the right to choose. If two consenting adults wish to get married, it should be their RIGHT to do so. **Oh, and as to the seems to be spoken from the same reviewer crap, for your information, I am only one identity on this board. Just because someone agrees with me doesn't mean I am posting as someone else.** UPDATED:Well, whether it is choice or just the way homosexuals are born, CHOICE is what this country was founded on: The freedom to choose. Either way, it would be a contradiction to this country's constitution. If homosexuals are born that way, America can't exclude them from basic rights. If homosexuals choose to be this way, America cannot take away their right to choose. **Actually, PBeavr, there IS biological evidence, not genetic. Homosexual people have different brain chemistry than that of the heterosexual brain. One cannot help what they like. Most homosexual people grew up feeling they were different but were too afraid to come forward with it. Why is that? Because our society views it as abnormal. **Again, gays do NOT choose to be gay. No one can help who they are attracted to or who they love. Love should not be limited to a persons sex. All you people that say homosexuality is a learned behavior are mistaken. If you think I am mistaken, then I put this challenge to you: Heterosexual people, try to CHOOSE to be attracted to someone of the same sex. If you can do that, I will submit to this 'urban legend that gay people choose to be gay.(I do agree with the other part of this: Gay people should not be given special rights...they should be given EQUAL RIGHTS. But, right now, gay peopls ARE given special treatment: they have to resort to civil unions because the right to marry the person they love is unavailable.

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Kairho
10/08/2005

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As to an on-point argument, this has more valude than many others here. I disagree with it, but it's one that is based in poor knowledge rather than religious fairy tales.

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Working-Class_Hero
09/18/2005

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I agree on this , but still we can't generalize this .. i mean straight couples go mad somethimes .. we can't just prevent unbehaved poeple from acting like this unless we have a common law that works on everybody

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scarletfeather
09/14/2005

Homosexuals Choose to be Gay - Special Rights Should Not Be Granted to Those Just Because of the Way They Choose to Behave 1

Ah, the age-old argument. I really can't think why anyone would choose to be gay, since homosexuals are going against the grain and face harassment and discrimination. I think one's sexuality is determined by biology with a few environmental factors added to the mix.

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Andrew Spencer
09/14/2005

Homosexuals Choose to be Gay - Special Rights Should Not Be Granted to Those Just Because of the Way They Choose to Behave 1

Yes, just like I choose to be heterosexual. Oh, wait...I didn't. Who am I to decide what is normal based on what I personally prefer? If you've ever been turned on by another person, odds are you didn't choose to be turned on by that person, your body simply reacted on its own. No one says that woman has large breasts. I will choose to make my penis hard because I like large breasts. It's not a conscious decision, it just happens. The conscious part comes in when you're trying to resist the reaction!

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Inmyopinion
07/09/2005

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What James said word for word.

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CanadaSucks
07/08/2005

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I wonder if morons who are obsessed with where people put their little pee-pees are born that way as well. How about people who want to legistlate morality so that it is in violation of the philosophy of America? Are they born that way or did it take years of sexual frustration and oppressive social and political ideology?

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edt4
07/06/2005

Homosexuals Choose to be Gay - Special Rights Should Not Be Granted to Those Just Because of the Way They Choose to Behave 1

I think its been established to the satisfaction of any thinking, fair-minded person that gays don't choose to be gay. This is more Republican/fundamentalist sophistry; another canard disseminated by the conservatives and once again accepted as literal truth by their always-too-credulous audience, who more or less accept anything circulated by these people with no critical thought at all, especially when the information involved only confirms their own deeply-help prejudice. I mean, if you don't like gays and don't want them to get married, just say so, but why try to justify it or rationalize it with propaganda and bulls**t? Probably because said propaganda and bulls**t are very effective, and the Republicans are nothing if not geniuses at propaganda and bulls**t.

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EschewObfuscat ion
05/17/2005

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UPDATE: If being gay were genetic, the gene would have been identified by now. I will believe that they're born that way when the gene is identified, and not until. It might be tough to hear, Hey, Mr. Eschew, it's definitely a boy! You should know, however, he's got that gay gene, though. Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . It's all learned behavior, behavioral patterns reinforced by habit. Gay people are not born that way, they're an open book, like everyone else, desperately in need of role models, which our society is doing a poorer and poorer job of providing them. The earlier they are confronted with non-mainstream paradigms, the more likely they are to question the normal road. Being confronted with a son (or daughter) who is gay would have been tough for me. I would have handled it the way I've handled other dilemmas, with research, care, support and compassion for his/her particular struggles ahead, assuring my child that he/she has one person in the world who can always be relied upon. But, I am glad this cup passed me by. ORIGINAL COMMENT 4/15/05: Very weak argument. Gays argue until they're shrill that they were born that way.

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texasyankee
05/16/2005

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Just have to ask; How is it possible that a person can consider the relationship between 2 consenting adults the same as crimes, such as pedophile,rapists,serial killers, and such the same thing? Because they are all people who claim they didn't chose their behavior? So what, there are lots of behaviors that are chosen that people claim they have no control over, such as child abuse and spending money. How is it possible that it's all in the same category?? They are two consenting adults that just want to be able to share in life what everyone else takes for granted.EDIT: souljunkie did you choose to be straight? He was saying it in a sarcastic way.

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souljunkie
05/16/2005

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Absolutely. Update: Thanks so much Bigbaby!! Here is a guy who came out (unless I grossly misunderstood him in a previoulsy read rating)recently and admits very clearly that he CHOOSES to be gay. I dont know whether he was just trying to compare heterosexuality to homosexuality or not. I tend to think that he was but that is not the point. To me it varifies what I have always known. Gays, make a choice and therefore deserve all that comes with it. The so called abuse, ridicule, social damnation, Oh well, that was there choice! They sure as hell do not dererve special treatment. We heteros absolutely do choose to be who we are, and the life that goes along with it.. and so do gays. Probably not in the way he is thinking but the statement still remains correct. I applaud his honesty.

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Deco354
05/05/2005

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Yet anouther topic up here that should not be here as it is absolutly false. I know many homosexuals! They do not choose to be gay they are born like it.

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earthbound
05/01/2005

Homosexuals Choose to be Gay - Special Rights Should Not Be Granted to Those Just Because of the Way They Choose to Behave 1

Regardless of the Nature/Nurture debate, I think most people appear to be decided that being gay is not a conscious choice. Also the main players appear to agree that gays should have equal rights but the question boils down to how you define gay marriage as a special right or an equal right? Terming this as a special right as opposed to an inclusive equal right, implies that you would contend that heterosexuality lies at the very center of the concept of marriage. That is certainly the traditional understanding of marriage. But tradition is a slippery customer. Traditionally, homosexual acts were criminalized. Traditionally, there would never have been a chance to extend the definition to include homosexual marriage. Tradition, while sometimes providing valuable pointers, standing alone is a pretty flimsy argument. If we remove tradition, then there must be a deeper reason for restricting marriage to heterosexual couples only. And I do believe that for most people, it is an emotional reason. People feel that gay marriage is just wrong. Their bible or whatever tells them that homosexual acts in themselves are wrong. Not content with that, they want it to be more than subjectively wrong for their value set. They want it to be objectively wrong, wrong according to the law of the land. We can argue the true meaning of marriage and the nature/nurture thing back and forth, but I do believe that it is mean-spiritedness that fuels much of the passion against gay marriage.

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