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Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition?

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Gris
10/28/2009

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 3

I don't know. Honestly I would like to hear more about this. Supposedly, the thing that Separates us from the animals is our Free Will. (Although I wonder how much will animals lack, but that is a Different review.) Personally, I have always felt that we make our own decisions in Life, and good or bad we have to live with the Choices we make.
From a Christian standpoint, you have the Bible stories that show things God's way and mankind's way. According to the Bible, The Pharaoh who enslaved the Israelites didn't have a Whole lot of choice in the matter. Neither did Esau when he rejected his birthright or Judas when he Betrayed Christ. In Romans 9 it says "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated." I have always felt pity for poor Esau, so hungry yet his own brother Would rather take advantage of him than just give him a Damn bowl of Soup. Jacob was kind of a Jack-ass, yet despite his Jack-assery, God still chose him. I guess on some level that is supposed to be inspiring, God loves us despite our repeated efforts to be jerks. But what about all the Esau's of the World? Roman's 9 goes on to say that God will have Mercy on whom he wants to have Mercy and God will Harden who he wants to harden. Who are we to resist God's will? To paraphrase; The Potter makes pots for Noble uses as well as Common, and since we are the pots there is not a Damn thing we can do about it.
It seems to me that God created the game so he Can make whatever rules he wants. But since we are the Game pieces, it kind of sucks to be us. I believe in Free will, but I wonder from a Biblical standpoint how free he wants us to be. If the Bible is right on this matter, then Hell is filled with poor souls who had no Choice but to end up there.

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Jamie McBain
12/19/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 4

No one forces you to do something, with a gun to your face. Unless, of course there is a gun to your face.

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scarletfeather
06/19/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Yes, we all have free will. We all have choices.

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numbah16tdhaha
04/28/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Of course we do. I've always found the idea of predestination stupid as hell, to be honest. How is anyone supposed to make a choice about God if the choice is already made for you? Doesn't this also seem rather cruel for those that are not chosen? Here, let me put this in perspective:

"Sorry kid, you're going to Hell and nothing can change that..."

"Well FU too..." 

UPDATE: Imorovan, I've read my Bible like a good little boy. That's the source of half of my really good questions. I've also read a few other things you might not have. Free your mind and at least consider my perspective before you dismiss me for not sharing your peculiar views...

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irishgit
04/28/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 3

Sometimes I have a vision of God as a curious kid, poking a stick at an ants nest to see what happens.

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FranksWildYear s
04/28/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

God doesn't strike me as the micro-manager type.

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CanadaSucks
04/01/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 1

Duh.  People can reject the responsibility of free will, but that in itself is a conscious decision.

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lmorovan
04/01/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 1

After the fall, we have lost our eternity, our perfection, our innocence, our purity, etc. We are all born with a sinful nature, and our will can only be exercised within that nature. We are only able to exercise our will within the limits of our sinful nature, therefore, our will is limited. No human after Adam and Eve, ever had genuine free will. And since the Bible teaches us that our best deeds are but filthy rags before God, we can only do that which offends God, even when we think are good deeds. There is none good, not even one.

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fitman
01/15/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 4

 Politicians, beaurocrats and other authoritarian control junkies are determined to make sure we don't get to excercise free will in our daily lives.

"For a long and happy life, avoid the authorities." - Lao Tse

That said, according to the lessons of Yeshua, The Master Teacher, there are immutable consequences for everything we do, so if we want our lives to be filled with heavenly goodness rather than Hellish pain and suffering, I suggest we try really hard not to be mean to anybody.

The primitive religionists who wrote that G-d visits "the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."  were trying to explain the fact that it's a natural law (like gravity) that our mistakes can screw up the lives of our children and their children.

Now that I've finished pontificating for today, I will quietly read your responses without comment, as I believe I've made myself as clear on this subject as I'm capable. 

;-)

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MariusQelDroma
01/14/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Free will is one portion of what it is to be human, to freely decide our actions and accept whatever consequences those decisions bring.

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zuchinibut
01/14/2008

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Of course humans have free will. Just think about the actions that people take everyday. The world is full of choices, and nobody is truly forced to do anything beyond their will.

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linkunlovr
05/09/2007

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

From the book The Crucifixion: The compassion and love that was Jesus comes through clearly
when we learn that we do not need to seek forgiveness, for we are not condemned; we do not need
to be saved, for we can never be lost; we do not need to seek eternal life, for that is what we are.
The truth is there is only One Being and we are all part of it.

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Vudija
02/07/2007

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

I believe so. I tend to think, save for few examples, that those who say otherwise are those who'd rather not take responsibility for the choices that they make.

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godlybrotha
01/12/2007

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 2

What exactly IS free will? Is it merely the ability to make choices? Animals make choices, do THEY have free will? Arguably, computers make choices...does IT have free will? If I choose to wear my blue suit to work as opposed to my black suit, have I exercised free will, or just made a choice? When is free will incorporated unto us? We surely don't have it when we're born, otherwise, I would have WILLED myself to be born to WEALTHY parents, or WILLED myself to be born with blue eyes instead of brown. Does it come when we're toddlers? Can a toddler WILL itself to not be selfish and share, or do we have to TEACH that toddler to MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES...or are we teaching it to have free will? Does it come when we're adults? At what age does it kick in? Do people with alzheimers or any other mental ilness have free will? Can they WILL themselves to remember things that they've forgotten? Can I WILL myself to be taller? Can I WILL myself not to die? If we have free will, and we can will ourselves to reject Jesus Christ, and it's God's will that everyone be saved(I Tim 2:4), does that mean that our free will can thwart God's will? Doesn't that make US sovereign if our will is greater than God's? Just curious.

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SharonParry
11/06/2006

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 4

Only those who are already justified do not have a free will. They're are totally led by God and can not change His mind as to what direction their own flesh life will take. I don't believe most know who these are and probably won't till the end. Every one else has a free will and make their own choices. Satan didn't do it. You can't blame bad choices on him.

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Djahuti
05/04/2006

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

It is self evident that we have "free will".Otherwise,no one should be in jail,since they were just doing what they "had to" do! People who do not want to admit to having free will are those who do not want to take responsibility for their actions.Sure,we are shaped by our life experiences and cultural surroundings-but that does not change the fact that some people become saintly after a life that would turn someone else into a criminal while other people are born with all kinds of advantages yet amount to nothing.

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Moosekarloff
01/27/2006

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 1

A very inconsequential dispute, in that free will is implicit in most of the voluntary acts of any human being, as personal conduct is rarely neutral. To even question the existence of free will indicates the human power of intellectual distinction (that is, in those people who possess this ability) and valuation that gives rise to moral and ethical valences, the basis of free will. Does anyone even question that cognizant human beings have this?

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Solenoid DH
07/10/2005

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 4

Certainly. Haven't you ever read the story of Adam & Eve?

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Donovan
06/19/2005

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Yes indeed, God created us with a free will to choose our own way whether that way is good or evil. But choosing to do good in itself is not enough as no man comes to the Father except through the son Jesus. You must accept Jesus as your Savior.

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Gentle Jude
06/05/2005

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

On the whole, yes, otherwise God wouldn't hold us accountable for our own sins. But on the other hand, I think I know what this question is addressing, predestination. To a certain point, I believe in predestination (the potter and the clay.) Because it says very plainly in Romans 9 about the Potter and the clay and how God creates some clay for noble purposes, and some clay for His wrath to show the objects of His affection how merciful He is. Because He takes so long to get angry at the objects of His destruction. That sounds so mean and this is something that isn't talked about in church much. But the next few verses after that tell us why God does this - it is because if it weren't for God and we were left to our own devices, we would all be like Sodom ie wicked and hard. Instead of giving humanity the damnation it deserves, because every human including me deserves to go to hell, the loving Father has decided to call some of the humanity that He created to everlasting life. It sounds craul, but this verse describes why God does this (Numbers 14:18) 'The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet He does not let the guilty go unpunished.' Ie to fulfil His great desire for love, He has saved humanity, yet to fulfil justice, He has also allowed wicked people to be created. From all this, it sounds harsh, but if we were God and had the same understanding, we would do the same thing. I don't believe God predestines people to go to hell, I believe He predestines people to go to heaven! But on the other hand, it is not all doom and gloom. Because in 1Timothy, God says through Paul that He desires for ALL people to get saved and in Ezekiel, God said that He doesn't take pleasure in punishing people and He desires to save ALL people. All this plus many other verses such as the fact that God let Adam and Eve eat from the tree and He let the people in early Genesis build the tower of Babel suggests that there is also a free will. So we do have a free choice. God is gentle and does not force us. I don't fully believe in predestination, but I also don't entirely believe we are in full control either. Some theologians believe that Romans 9 really meant that God knows what is going to happen ahead of time, but because of His perfect plan and the fact that we do have a free will, He still creates the people who were going to be bad. If you think of predestination as being mean, maybe God is calling you to salvation. Because someone who rejected the Spirit's witness wouldn't even be bothered.

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dpostoskie
06/02/2005

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Without a doubt. That's why an atheist can do the right things without fear from any type of all mighty being. Where others NEED to be told how to live their lives and desire some huge reward for doing the things that should be done anyway.

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CastleBee
06/02/2005

Free Will--Do humans have free will, that is , the capacity to do good or evil under their own choice and volition? 5

Of course - that's the whole point. What good is love if you are forced to give it? We choose which path we will take. God does not pre-destine our choice - but he knows which one we will make. There's a huge difference there.

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