 | JonTheMan (27) 07/13/2005 |  Eschew, you'll surely recall that Spain, France and Germany all sent troops to Afghanistan, a war explicitly over finding Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist cronies, and many of those troops bravely sacrificed their lives there. You certainly cannot accuse those nations of cowardice and a lack of determination to fight terrorism as you seem to be doing. What you are actually complaining about, as you often do, is the lack of support shown by those countries for the war in Iraq, a war fought for different reasons, that had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden or extremist Islamic terrorists at all. Ergo, accusing the aforementioned nations of a callous disregard for human life and a pusillanimous fear of terrorism over a lack of support for Iraq is completely unfair. These bombings are a terrible tragedy, not a reason for divisive finger pointing at our allies. UPDATE: Eschew, my whole point was that those countries already ARE making a tangible commitment to fighting terrorism. Don't you think the sacrifice of their soldiers is acknowledgment enough that they're in the fight? If, as you say, your actual problem is not Iraq, but France and Germany's attitude, then how, pray tell, does their attitude manifest itself in a way that openly stymies the effort to curb international terrorism? France and Germany sacrificed lives fighting global terrorism; you cannot contest their resolve by accusing them of having an attitude problem.
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 | EschewObfuscation (61) 07/12/2005 |  What's wrong with this picture? By the time the casualty lists are finalized several hundred people will be dead, maimed or seriously injured (all innocent people going to work) and we're looking at a calendar to attempt to ascertain why a group of crazed, barbaric terrorists did such a thing. I couldn't care less why they did it. It is time for all the fence-sitters to get off their asses and unite with those carrying their water now, and decide that enough innocents have been brutally murdered, and that these people (and I use the term loosely) need to be fought, and defeated. Oh, I know, it can't be done, nobody can stop them, they'll stop at nothing, their pissed off now and their numbers are growing, etc. It is time to cajole into action those so weak of heart who can help in this fight: Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, France, Spain, Germany. Get off your asses, get a mitt and get in the game. For the sake of your own innocent citizens, it's time to unite in the war against islamofascist terror. No politician unwilling to conduct this fight should receive a single vote, regardless of what country holds elections. The war is on, fight it or get out of the way. UPDATE: Divisive finger pointing. OK. MY comment represents divisive finger-pointing. And the ubiquitous, shrill, incoherent criticism of Bush (and HIS war, and HIS lies, and HIS Uncle Tom/Bucktoothed Secretary of State, and HIS evil degenerate Assistant Chief of Staff Karl Rove, etc., etc., etc.) isn't divisive. But, whoa, criticize France or Germany (in the midst of a much larger, much broader point) and that's divisive. I see. My REAL point is this: the enemy has struck again. An enemy who has declared war, not just against the United States, but against ALL of western Society. And no nation is safe. No nation will be spared. What is so divisive in asking nations, who have displayed pacifist arrogance, to lose the attitude and acknowledge that they're in the fight? Love or hate the war in Iraq, but make a commitment to join the resistance and start combatting the terrorists. Got a better way? We're all ears!
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 | Jed1000 (72) 07/08/2005 | Yes, it probably was. The first thing I thought of when I heard about the attacks, however, was that London had been awarded the 2012 Olympics just the previous day. I thought it might be there way of saying, Go ahead and have your Olympics. See what we can do to them? Whatever the reason I'm sure they're very pleased with themselves. Since there is nothing to be gained from killing innocent people (not politically or any other way as far as I can see) you have to think that they simply enjoy pain, suffering, and mayhem. As much as I try (and I have tried) I just can't umderstand their mind-set.
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